Mutating Corona Virus

[honeybee13]

Is this any particular manufacturer of lateral flow tests, TJ?

 

Not necessarily for this thread, but maybe that's why Macron wants PCR tests.

[tobyjugg2]

Dont know the detail yet HB

 

Like the issues other countries are reported having with the Oxford vaccine .. many with the lack of transparency and 'not properly supported and documented' claims it would seem.

 

The UK is apparently basing its vaccine roll-out on 4 million doses (still not enough) of the Oxford vaccine

We'll perhaps know more if anything is reported on its authorisation other than UK

A little over 60% is its confirmed efficacy as far as I can see

 

.. The group that had the 1/2 + 1 and high efficacy rate was made up of a large portion of young folk which casts great doubt on the quality of the higher efficacy claim it would seem

Edited December 22, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

On 02/11/2020 at 08:50, tobyjugg2 said:

 

I've not looked into detail which test is which and there are a number of lateral flow tests which use slightly different 'forms

 

but the more appropriate ones are supposed to be like a pregnancy test and about 93% accurate

 

they 'magnify' anything searched for that is found in the body, so if the magnification is slightly off, orthe viral load balance (where it congregates) in the body is off so is the test

 

As they magnify what they find - they are also very 'level of infection' specific

ie

Magnify too much - everyone shows positive

Magnify not enough - no-one tests positive

Too early or too late in the virus life infection cycle - false negative or positive when on the mend

Particular person has lower viral load in 'wherever/whatever tested fro any reason - false negative

 

 

 

 

 

Reminder.

 

The 93% was in lab conditions with samples pre PCR tested (so a head start perhaps)

- and that was the best of the bunch - others were struggling to get into the 70's% in lab conditions.

The varying viral load over time/stage of infection, and per individual, cause real problems with lateral flow tests

 

Not sure what the new strain(s) does to it ....

 

 

 

Edited December 22, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Clarification

The cream of the crop lateral flow tests managed to find about 93% of already flagged/confirmed PCR flagged positive infections in laboratory conditions

 

[tobyjugg2]

Seems hancock knew there were over a thousand instances of infections of this new strain in 60 different local authority areas by 14th Dec or before and that it was spreading more quickly than prior UK strains

 

https://virological.org/t/preliminary-genomic-characterisation-of-an-emergent-sars-cov-2-lineage-in-the-uk-defined-by-a-novel-set-of-spike-mutations/563

Edited December 22, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

It looks to me as if they hid what was happening, TJ. I read something that said the government knew about the new strain a couple of months ago.

[tobyjugg2]

The key part for those that went understandably blank after the first dozen lines

 

"The two earliest sampled genomes that belong to the B.1.1.7 lineage were collected on 20-Sept-2020 in Kent and another on 21-Sept-2020 from Greater London. B.1.1.7 infections have continued to be detected in the UK through early December 2020.

..

As of 15th December, there are 1623 genomes in the B.1.1.7 lineage. Of these 519 were sampled in Greater London, 555 in Kent, 545 in other regions of the UK including both Scotland and Wales, and 4 in other countries."

 

Through this period London remained in a lower lockdown tier than areas with lower infection rates did it not?

 

Edited December 22, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

and there is far far scarier stuff than incompetence driven by political stupidity (so bad that it actually looks like it must be conspiracy) in that report for those who read it ...

 

MUCH scarier

[unclebulgaria67]

Since the first Coronovirus stories appeared in the media in January 2020, there has been discussions about different strains of the virus.  So it was already known that different countries had different versions of the virus. But it was only last week that UK Scientists discovered that one strain was transmitting more quickly.

 

Boris is going to make more announcements today which apparently is going to be that most of Southern England ( but not Devon or Cornwall) and the Midlands will be placed into tier 4. And it may be announced that schools in these areas will be closed to all pupils except key workers until middle of January.

 

It was always going to be this way, as people over the last few weeks have been shopping in larger numbers getting ready for Christmas and we are seeing the results.  

[tobyjugg2]

Does those darn foreigers attempts to shame the Uk gov know no bounds?

Is there no depths they will not plumb just to try to make us look bad?

 

.. Oh shut up Tossus Potus

France fast-tracks citizenship for frontline workers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/world/france-fast-tracks-citizenship-for-frontline-workers.html

 

"Some 700 foreigners in France who were exposed to the coronavirus through their work will be put on a fast track for naturalization as a reward for their commitment during the pandemic"

 

 

... A bit better than fining nurses for parking in the hospital car park after a long unpaid night shift, or refusing emergency staff visa extensions IMO.

[tobyjugg2]

19 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

Is this any particular manufacturer of lateral flow tests, TJ?

 

 

The recent reports are about the innova one, although yet again it seems the Popuselessist Gov has known about its failings since long before they were actually proposing/presenting it as a solution

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4469

 

Doesn't seem to bode well for the spit test versions which were less accurate even than Innova

 

 

i think these are the ones being used by frontline NHS staff - with likely 1 in 4 infections being missed, although they are testing twice a week which should mitigatate

Edited December 23, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

LOL

As the UK's world beating test and trace cant manage to test even the 6000 truckers stranded at Dover ...

The French have sent 26 French firefighters to do it ..

 

Will these forei...

Oh shut up Tossus Pottus

French firefighters sent to Dover with 10,000 Covid tests for stranded lorry drivers

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-border-french-firefighters-covid-tests-b1778531.html

 

"British authorities have struggled to roll out testing quickly to the 6,000 hauliers who remain stuck at sites across Kent.

The French ambassador to the UK Catherine Colonna said 26 firefighters brought 10,000 Covid-19 tests to the port town to allow more hauliers make the crossing before Christmas.  "

[honeybee13]

First the Sikhs, now the French showing us how it's done...

 

 

[honeybee13]

The sapeurs pompiers who have been sent are more than firefighters, they do emergency medical calls and first aid as well so could also be paramedics, which is useful.

[brassnecked]

The Sikhs put the council issuing tickets to stranded trucks to shame.

[honeybee13]

Indeed, BN. I read that they whipped up 800 meals in three hours at very short notice. I thought the chick pea curry looked excellent in one of the photos.

[brassnecked]

No doubt the were delicious.

[tobyjugg2]

lets hope the loo's are all in order with all that extra fibre in their diet ...

[honeybee13]

openDemocracy have been digging into what the government are planning for the NHS, it's very worrying. More money to be squandered on 'partnerships' and other management speak.

 

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ournhs/terrifying-truth-about-those-deciding-future-nhs/

[tobyjugg2]

Boris Johnson’s key health adviser is twenty-something William Warr, whose only qualifications for the role appear to be an as yet unfinished PhD in public health, and a former role as a lobbyist with right-wing campaign strategist, Lynton Crosby.

 

another eugenics type

[brassnecked]

Eugenics types are becoming rampant again as they did in the 1930's, GBS, HG Wells and others. today, Bill Gates.......

[honeybee13]

I agree with both of you. Did you notice the bit about wanting to use algorithms to manage out people who lead 'bad' lifestyles so the NHS can refuse to treat them? That way they either pay the private healthcare people or are left without treatment.

 

So would the algorithm rule out someone like the PM who was quite overweight when he got covid and drinks wine? Scary stuff.

[tobyjugg2]

Given the current world situation, perhaps Johnson should consider that those who have demonstrated a weak resistance to the Coronavirus (whether through lack of natural resistance or lack of natural common sense - or both) should be first on his genetic scrap heap ...

.. and take a look in the mirror

 

Edited December 28, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Entitled skiers have gone missing from the ski resort of Verbier, Switzerland, after being asked to self-isolate. Now they're in France or who knows where, potentially spreading the new strain of Covid.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/27/hundreds-uk-tourists-flee-covid-quarantine-swiss-ski-resort-verbier

 

Words fail me, how selfish.

[brassnecked]

It all started with Skiers didn't it?  well some of the early infections did.