Mutating Corona Virus

[brassnecked]

Well here you go, according to the Heil, 6 week Lockdown for Engerland (how England football fans pronounce England) more draconian than Dripford in Wales with travel & commuting ban  Dripford will not be outdone so expect him to close all shops in Wales and ban people from leaving the house.

 

They have all mismanaged this from day 1

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9065485/Boris-Johnson-warns-No-Deal-likely-plunging-38-million-Tier-3-lockdown-misery.html

[honeybee13]

This is from Christina Pagel of Indie Sage.

 

'“The people who’ll get sick and die… are the people who'd be first in line for the vaccine in January.” UCL Clinical Research Director Prof Christina Pagel says we “can’t afford” to relax restrictions further'

 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1339707750419374081

 

[tobyjugg2]

1. Absolutely no doubt that the new variant is more virulent

 

2. Absolutely no doubt that there will be extensive lockdown immediately after Christmas spreading through to March/April

 

3. Likely that Patel will use 'emergency powers' to ban demonstrations (gatherings) against covid restrictions/poverty/losing jobs/homes .. and Brexit .. just be interesting to see if that includes fox hunting and grouse shooting

 

4. Given the aspiration to inoculate only UPTO 25 million people by the end of next year, and the likelihood of further Covid virus mutations and apparently limited resistance duration from the inoculations

- we will be back to needing 3-6x (if 2 per year are needed) that many inoculations (including all those inoculated next year) starting the end of next year

 

5. Given the above - its most likely our world will NOT be returning to anything like normal next year.

 

 

and all that presupposes

1. The unlikely demonstration and application of some level of competence from those in power here

2. No outbreaks of some new pandemic

 

[brassnecked]

Yes TJ looks grim, meanwhile in Wales with the Essential/None essential trope, hope nothing breaks we won't be able to replace it and Tesco will go all stupid again refusing to sell nappies and Sanitary towels.

[honeybee13]

That would be completely wrong, BN. There comes a time when something that could be viewed as a luxury becomes essential.

 

As for feminine hygiene or nappies being a luxury, sadly words fail me...

[brassnecked]

Yes but that's how surreal it was last time.  gething was challenged over a kettle breaking, he said boil a pan on the stove, he was then told that isn't an option or safe for elderly or disabled,

 

The feminine hygeine and baby equipment was the most egregious, Tesco in Cardiff reused to sell baby Formula as they had cordoned the aile off, along with nappies. Gething had a roasting and he had to say that he had decided to allow the sale as they were essential to some. he is another self opinionated numpty.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871385/Welsh-ministers-flounder-try-defend-new-shopping-rules.html

 

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2020-10-25/welsh-government-to-review-clarity-of-non-essential-item-ban-in-supermarkets

 

We are expecting similar Muppetry on the 28th December with stores unable to sell the Christmas surplus stuff  off cheap, as non essential.

[tobyjugg2]

So, Can anyone explain to me why:

 

* The new virus variant (see earlier posts re more virulent strains in USA) was spreading in the South while London, despite higher infection rates, was left in a lower tier and people continue to travel in and out of London

 

* Kids are still at school - apart from mainly southern private schools who send their rich kids home across the country when infections are found

 

* You can't see your local family at Christmas who are all in the same 10 mile radius, let alone some from the next county - to supposedly prevent the spread of infection, but delivery drivers can travel around the country without any tests whatsoever and your kids have to go and mix in schools in full class sizes

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/traffic-tier-4-london-south-east-b1776612.html

[hightail]

Is it too cynical of me to think Boris left this so late so people would all crowd to the shops and spend money getting ready for a family Christmas which was never going to happen?

[honeybee13]

It's cynical but possibly not too cynical, hightail. You have a point.

 

I tend towards cock up rather than conspiracy in that Johnson didn't want to make the decision, but I suppose the net effect is the same...

[hightail]

There's an awful lot of unnecessary spending gone on which wouldn't have happened if he'd done it sooner.  The food waste alone is going to be horrendous, it's been bad enough in the pubs with people ordering food which just gets thrown away.

[tobyjugg2]

48 minutes ago, hightail said:

Is it too cynical of me to think Boris left this so late so people would all crowd to the shops and spend money getting ready for a family Christmas which was never going to happen?

I think that was one of the drivers - but driven by Johnsons wishful thinking and entire lack of any management or planning skills other than 'something will turn up and we can just pretend its all good if nothing turns up'

I have no doubts though that some behind Johnson driving the policies have profit as a motive for what they are promoting,

Not so sure that genocide/population reduction is a direct driver now that Cummings has gone - but not clear on that.

 

This site is getting worse - fan goes like mad when this site is up and even typing is delayed

[brassnecked]

How many tabs open in browser TJ? think I had 100 open in 32 Gb RAM before the browser slowed down, put in 64 Gb kit and is ok now

 

Seriously Johnson has lost the plot, as have the others. Its been a disaster from the beginning.

[tobyjugg2]

I remember so many claims that Johnson was 'really clever' and simply hid it under the bumbling tosspot exterior

Not sure whether they were even more utterly stupid BS'ers than johnson, or simply liars.

 

Johnson has an unblemished history of utter incompetence, total lack of planning and management skills and wasting taxpayer money by the lorry convoy load - and it remains unblemished.

 

he's made mugs of us all

So ensure you get yours

 

Edited December 20, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

2 hours ago, brassnecked said:

How many tabs open in browser TJ? think I had 100 open in 32 Gb RAM before the browser slowed down, put in 64 Gb kit and is ok now

 

 

Quite a few, but shut down just this sites tab and the computer relaxes

 

I'd tracked a fair bit of it to the ticker, but even blocking that uses nearly as much processing as it running

Edited December 20, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

On 18/12/2020 at 06:54, honeybee13 said:

London, there was a survey in the last week or two that said around 50% of people would rather carry on with restrictions than come out of lockdown for Christmas, potentially lose a lot more people and then have to lock down again after Xmas.

 

Christina Pagel of Indie Sage was on Newsnight and she pointed out that the people we're likely to lose are probably first in line for the vaccine.

 

The thing is, whether Christmas lockdown or not, there will be an extended lockdown after becsause we don't have a working effective properly managed test and trace, no temp checks at supermarkets, and key frontline staff at schools and supermarkets and delivery companies (for example) not tested

 

a more 'open' christmas will make little difference as i believe many people will not obey, and as already stated

Where is the sense in not seeing your local family who will be properly monitoring their health to protect their loved ones, when going to the supermarket - or the kids to school opens everyome up to 30+ other households minimum.

 

[tobyjugg2]

In addition to the mutation previously reported in metropolitan areas of the USA and the new strain in the South of the UK resulting in travel from the UK being banned by an increasing number of countries ..

 

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/12/19/south-africa-reports-new-severe-covid-strain/

 

South African health minister Zwelini Mkhize reported on Friday, December 18 that a new, more severe variant of Covid-19, known as the 501.V2 Variant, has been detected in younger people and he has notified the World Health Organisation.

 

France has banned all travel (unclear how far RoI will go) - so the Farage Garages should be quickly tested

Lets hope they are more prepared than the Nightingale Hospitals were and are.

Edited December 20, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[hightail]

On 20/12/2020 at 19:02, tobyjugg2 said:

South African health minister Zwelini Mkhize reported on Friday, December 18 that a new, more severe variant of Covid-19, known as the 501.V2 Variant, has been detected in younger people and he has notified the World Health Organisation.

There is a worry that the new variant here is infecting children more easily too.

[honeybee13]

Oh dear. I read yesterday that secondary schools have a large number of cases now.

[brassnecked]

Schools have been a major issue, they need to sort some online alternatibves, and some way of providing laptops for poorer families. A Communal wifi on some estates may be an option for connectivity.

[tobyjugg2]

Tories dont even want to see the kids fed, so wifi and laptops/tabs, or even schoolbooks seems a stretch.

 

Send your nearest Tory MP a home made Christmas card with this on the front

- mind you, they'll all be at their second or third homes for Christmas wont they, so probably wont see them until the new year after their Christmas festivities and eating

 

 

 

[brassnecked]

Tou mean the festivities they will have but Johnson, hancock, Drakeford, & Sturgeon have banned in effect for everyone else?

[tobyjugg2]

Hasn't stopped them travelling between their 'homes' has it ?

 

example:

Friend of mind lives in Jenricks 'seat - jenrick shunts around his and his parents various houses at will 'alledgedly

Standing Joke locally apparently

Nottinghamshire, Herefordshire. Shropshire, London ....

 

 

https://eastdevonwatch.org/2020/04/12/robert-jenrick-claimed-100000-expenses-for-third-home/

Edited December 22, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[brassnecked]

Shame plod won't feel his collar make an example of him.

[tobyjugg2]

 

serious blow:

Seems the lateral flow tests are at least as inaccurate as I had understood, and role out is being halted

 

I dont know the ins and outs yet.

Edited December 22, 2020 by tobyjugg2