Mutating Corona Virus

[brassnecked]

You make me want to go off into the woods like a US Survivalist with faithful crossbow, air rifle tent and tools to knock up a shelter. TJ.

[tobyjugg2]

Wasn't Cummings allegedly wandering in the woods while he was infected  during his lockdown?

Let alone everyone sneaking into woods to relieve themselves  ...

Doesn't sound safe to me.

 

 

 

All for the want of using some of the claimed unused testing capacity and some actual competent management of the pandemic.

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[tobyjugg2]

16 minutes ago, brassnecked said:

Yes only issue with Sturgeon is she is so intent on pushing Independence, any and all crises are a tool she uses to chip away.  Johnson & hancock have not handled it well, mind you they planned for the wrong disease and are still floundering around trying to use a flu plan for a SARS.

 

I still think voting her in as PM is the answer

 

She competent and it would remove the independence  issue.

She would probably allow the couple million at most populists to declare independence on one of the UK's offshore tax havens and use the cheap flights to ship them all there

They get their singapore tax haven clone

We get rid of them and the independence issue and get a competent politician

 

Sorted.

[honeybee13]

Nice idea, TJ.

[brassnecked]

Sturgeon is a one trick pony, SNP policies have failed, their proposed Hate Crime Bill, might even stop us calling DCBL muppets, and Simple Simon of VCS Simple in a post.

[honeybee13]

I just spotted this from the Guardian, on quarantine, etc.

 

This is the first paragraph [my bold].

 

'Another day, another sadly predictable U-turn from the government of Boris Johnson. A few weeks ago ministers were encouraging the public to go abroad for their holidays. They did so without a comprehensive airport testing regime for passengers, unlike in many parts of the world. As restrictions have been lifted across Europe, countries have reported rises in Covid-19 cases. People returning from Spain, which has seen a spike in infections, now face mandatory quarantine. The farce means that the transport secretary will be one of those self-isolating.'

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/27/the-guardian-view-on-a-new-normal-holidays-abroad-quarantine-at-home

[hightail]

Well Boris' fright over being so ill with the virus because of his weight is leading to some interesting developments and I can see Ebay being flooded with NHS prescribed bikes. 

[tobyjugg2]

16 minutes ago, brassnecked said:

Sturgeon is a one trick pony, SNP policies have failed,

 

The effectiveness and focus of her government when compared to England and when considered as working within the constraints set out by Westminster, make that statement seem very dubious

 

Now wasn't that polite?

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[tobyjugg2]

12 minutes ago, hightail said:

Well Boris' fright over being so ill with the virus because of his weight is leading to some interesting developments and I can see Ebay being flooded with NHS prescribed bikes. 

 

Yes, but hes over that now.

Short tea break over, Back to trashing the NHS

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[London1971]

People a month ago shrieking ‘why didn’t we shut down all flights in February’ 

 

People now, ‘why have the government introduced a quarantine from spain’

 

Damned if they do, damned if they don’t .

 

Right now Spain has a far higher infection rate than either Britain or France, and on this occasion the government are doing the right thing.

[tobyjugg2]

26 minutes ago, London1971 said:

Right now Spain has a far higher infection rate than either Britain or France, and on this occasion the government are doing the right thing.

 

So you think sending returnees from 'affected' places home across the country with an instruction to self isolate, without being tested is 'the right thing'?

 

 

 

26 minutes ago, London1971 said:

People a month ago shrieking ‘why didn’t we shut down all flights in February’ 

 

People now, ‘why have the government introduced a quarantine from spain’

 

Damned if they do, damned if they don’t .

 

 

No, doing 'whatever' incompetently is the issue.

 

Thats a typical Johnsonite populist type 'avoid the point' response

I'm genuinely surprised. Has Londons' account been hijacked?

 

 

In February, as now returnees should be tested and properly managed.

They weren't and aren't. Thats the issue.

 

Edited July 28, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

I wonder if part of the problem is with the PM only wanting to give people good news. I could have missed something, but I don't remember seeing ministers mentioning anything about risks of travelling abroad while the pandemic is still ongoing.

[honeybee13]

Germany is advising against travel to Catalonia, Aragon and Navarra, the three regions that are closest to the border with France on the Mediterranean side.

 

The FCO is advising against all of Spain, including the Canaries and the Balearics.

[tobyjugg2]

 

Yes, but as Shapps said when supporting Stanley Johnsons antics country hopping to avoid restrictions

'its only advice

 

 

and in summary of many ministers support of Cummings and Jentricks antics

'its the social distancing that matters and he wasn't caught breaking the social distance rule (as that was only done when he returned into No10 before setting off on his escapades,  and no-one better tell)

 

... and of course, the current social distancing rule is 3 feet - qualified by where possible isnt it?

 

 

 

Follow the examples of those who set the rules?

as they have further defined them?

 

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[tobyjugg2]

https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/27/donald-trump-s-national-security-advisor-tests-positive-for-covid-19-reports-associated-pr

 

"US National Security Advisor Robert O'Brien has tested positive for COVID-19, two anonymous sources confirmed to the Associated Press."

 

There is "no risk of exposure to the President or the Vice President"

as the national security advisor has been left soaking completely submerged in a vat of bleach to cure him since the positive test result

He is reported to have screamed his support of the president as he was immersed with the help of a number of the presidential security team

 

"the "work of the National Security Council continues uninterrupted," the White House told AP"

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[honeybee13]

I can't work out why Trump hasn't caught it. Maybe he's a super spreader?

[tobyjugg2]

He'll be pumped full of the real stuff ... like remdesiver

 

 

[hightail]

14 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

I wonder if part of the problem is with the PM only wanting to give people good news.

He's been following rather than leading ever since the Cummings debacle.  As people got angry, or bored, and started flouting lockdown he started easing the restrictions in line with how they were behaving anyway.  The one thing he can't afford is for it to appear he's lost control of the situation so the 'guidelines' are continually adjusted to make it look as if we're the ones following them when we're actually setting them - until it all goes wrong and he does have to rein it in again. 

 

I'm astounded that anyone has gone on a holiday to Spain (or anywhere) but they have and they were perfectly entitled to do so.  That so many have does show that people are prepared to return to much more of a 'normal' than I am at the moment and Boris hasn't wanted, or dared, to stop them.  

Edited July 29, 2020 by hightail

[cjcregg]

15 hours ago, London1971 said:

People a month ago shrieking ‘why didn’t we shut down all flights in February’ 

 

People now, ‘why have the government introduced a quarantine from spain’

 

 

 

Yes and the 'why oh why' culture is alive and well on this thread.

[cjcregg]

17 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

Wee Nicola has handled the epidemic reasonably well, I think. Better than no 10 anyway.

 

 

To be fair wee Nicola doesn't have the responsibility of balancing the epidemic with running the economy. In essence the decisions she makes, the rest of the Union pays for.

[cjcregg]

19 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

I wonder if part of the problem is with the PM only wanting to give people good news. I could have missed something, but I don't remember seeing ministers mentioning anything about risks of travelling abroad while the pandemic is still ongoing.

 

The UK banned all travel abroad for months.

 

Remember?

[honeybee13]

My point was that once restrictions were being lifted, ministers were encouraging people to go abroad if they wanted to but I didn't notice them pointing out possible risks.

[hightail]

49 minutes ago, cjcregg said:

The UK banned all travel abroad for months

Wasn’t it advice against all but non essential travel?  That’s not a ban.

[tobyjugg2]

5 hours ago, cjcregg said:

 

To be fair wee Nicola doesn't have the responsibility of balancing the epidemic with running the economy.

 

In essence the decisions she makes, the rest of the Union pays for.

 

Populist English nationalist garbage and Self contradictory (she has no fiscal responsibility + the UK pays for her fiscal decisions)

 

Actually, as already stated, the reality is that she makes her decisions based on the limits imposed by Westminster and NOT as you state.

She just has some leeway in how she allocates the funds

eg more in the peoples interests rather than mainly in a few rich folks interests

 

Imagine a free Scotland with its territorial waters not blocked off from use by English nuclear subs and its fishing not controlled from Westminster ..

How much should they charge the UK to use its waters, let alone own them?

 

.. and at least try understand the ins and outs and whys and wherefores of the Barnet formula before you continue to spout from the lowbrow jingoistic end of nationalistic populist rubbish.

 

 

Edited July 29, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

49 minutes ago, hightail said:

Wasn’t it advice against all but non essential travel?  That’s not a ban.

 

Quite true hightail

and as confirmed by Shapps (secretary of state for transport) in support of Johnson snr hopping from one country to another to avoid even the very limited restrictions .. by other countries

 

"Transport Secretary Grant Shapps argued Boris Johnson's father was within his right to travel abroad. "

 

"Mr Shapps said: "When you say restrictions, he will have ignored travel advice, not restrictions."

 

"Mr Shapps continued: "It's advice, everyone can decide what to do with the advice.""

 

Johnson jnr:

"“The advice says you have to to make your own decision about whether you want to travel,” he said in reference to the Foreign Office advice against all but essential international travel."

 

 

Surely  cjregg read that?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1304498/grant-shapps-travel-advice-stanley-johnson-boris-coronavirus

 

 

more?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=shapps+stanley+advice&t=ffsb&ia=web

Edited July 29, 2020 by tobyjugg2