Mutating Corona Virus

[honeybee13]

The FT have done an international comparison of Covid deaths. The UK doesn't come out well.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/6b4c784e-c259-4ca4-9a82-648ffde71bf0

[brassnecked]

No HB looks abysmal for sure, Dr North has ahad a pop at Boris and Demonic again, but also some salient points about the Hancock's busted Track & trace, with Data Loss Dido in command.  My observation is that with el cheapo Serco call centres, and target driven operators, there will be errors.  It doesn't apply to Wales, but given operators often misdialling due to time constraints and targets, they might say call someone in Wales, and the contact they are supposed to have been in proximity has never been within 150 miles of the call recipient. 

Also it doesn't apply to Wales so what di they do when Call handler told politely to Foxtrot Oscar as no don't know who they are saying has been near and is infected?

[honeybee13]

You're right about people's possible responses to these phone calls, BN.

 

I may have read that they're considering penalties to stop people behaving like Demonic. I suppose it never occurred to them that the little people would take matters into their own hands and it seems to have come as a shock to be losing control.

 

Also, how do you know it's a genuine call and what's to stop malicious calls by people naming someone they don't like?

[honeybee13]

West Midlands police on what members of the public are telling officers trying to enforce lockdown.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-lockdown-breakers-tell-police-if-its-okay-for-cummings-its-okay-for-us-11995648

[brassnecked]

Tomorrow will be the make or break in some areas as the Call To Prayer is blasted from the Mosques in Birmingham, London, Bolton, and they all decide to have Prayers in the street.

[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, honeybee13 said:

West Midlands police on what members of the public are telling officers trying to enforce lockdown.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-lockdown-breakers-tell-police-if-its-okay-for-cummings-its-okay-for-us-11995648

 

 

slurred voice from pulled over car

wat yer want

 

 

Police officer

Sir, I've just checked this car ownership and the owners address is 30 miles away

 

Slurred voice from car

Well I've had a few drinks and I thought I'd see if I was fit to drive

 

 

 

Please Don't Do A Dom folks,

even if UK Ministers claim it demonstrates 'integrity'

 

 

 

 

 

 

“It’s ironic that the only apology over the whole Dominic Cummings lockdown breaches scandal comes from the BBC.” 

 

 

 

Edited May 28, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Slurred voice from car

Well I've had a few drinks and I thought I'd see if I was fit to drive

 

I've seen a ruder version of that on Twitter.

[tobyjugg2]

It seems handcock is now threatening to force the citizen tracking app on people if they dont do it willingly ..

 

You have a choice .. as long as yo make the one I want you to make.

 

 

Lead on handcock, johnson, cummings and Gove

Give us a report on how its working on your phones, and I'll consider it.

 

 

 

Wonder why sales of windows and symbian phones have boomed?

 

 

Edited May 28, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Durham police have carried out a very speedy enquiry and decided that Demonic did nothing serious enough to take further action.

 

What is this going to do to compliance with lockdown restrictions by normal people?

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/28/dominic-cummings-did-breach-coronavirus-guidelines-durham-police/

[London1971]

1 hour ago, tobyjugg2 said:

 

 

slurred voice from pulled over car

wat yer want

 

 

Police officer

Sir, I've just checked this car ownership and the owners address is 30 miles away

 

Slurred voice from car

Well I've had a few drinks and I thought I'd see if I was fit to drive

 

 

 

Please Don't Do A Dom folks,

even if UK Ministers claim it demonstrates 'integrity'

 

 

 

 

 

 

“It’s ironic that the only apology over the whole Dominic Cummings lockdown breaches scandal comes from the BBC.” 

 

 

 

Like rain on your wedding day, ironic.

[tobyjugg2]

23 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

Durham police have carried out a very speedy enquiry and decided that Demonic did nothing serious enough to take further action.

 

What is this going to do to compliance with lockdown restrictions by normal people?

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/28/dominic-cummings-did-breach-coronavirus-guidelines-durham-police/

 

 

Is that also the case when he went back to and into Downing street after spending time with his sick wife who he believed was infected - before the trip?

Let alone that he has stated he believed he was infected (as justification for the trip)

 

So travelling large distances from home when infected is allowed

 

Travel to beauty spots is fine

 

Driving with acknowledged sight issues is fine

 

Visiting the properties of parents/grandparents properties is both fine and not limited to 1 person

 

Going into buildings full of people while you believe you are infected is fine

 

The list goes on

Edited May 28, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Yes he did, according to his own 'witness statement' but I don't see anything being done.

[tobyjugg2]

41 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

Durham police have carried out a very speedy enquiry and decided that Demonic did nothing serious enough to take further action.

 

What is this going to do to compliance with lockdown restrictions by normal people?

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/28/dominic-cummings-did-breach-coronavirus-guidelines-durham-police/

 

 

Just a sec

 

Doesn't that actually define that all the lockdown fines for being away from home were and are unlawful?

or at least put all the fines validity into question/doubt?

Edited May 28, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

So it would seem that breaching social distancing is the only offense according to that statement, as long as if they catch you travelling somewhere hundreds of miles away and they tell you to go home (whether they are 'entitled to or not) and you do go home - thats fine too

 

 

So - social distancing..

How many videos and photos of him constantly breaching that over the last month do we need to compile.

There must be hundreds..

 

Bet he didn't warn the guy on the door at No 10 when he went out, or in, or out again ... the day he believed he and his wife were infected

Edited May 28, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[brassnecked]

Jolyon the Fox Killer is having a fit of apoplexy over it on Twitter, he's "batty" enough to try a Private prosecution

[honeybee13]

35 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

 

 

Just a sec

 

Doesn't that actually define that all the lockdown fines for being away from home were and are unlawful?

or at least put all the fines validity into question/doubt?

 

I'd have thought so and even Matt Hancock said he'd get someone to look at that yesterday, I think it was. Then Robert Jenrick came along shortly afterwards and said they wouldn't be reversing the fines.

 

It does seem to be dual standards.

[honeybee13]

David Allen Green of the FT has a Twitter thread discussing this. Someone has pointed out that there could be evidence that the cottage Demonic stayed in belongs to him.

 

 

[brassnecked]

Then there is the issue of the Tory MP living in  his second home on Anglesey. They were there when Lockdown started, so they stayed there as his wife was having treatment in bangor Hospital.  Heddlu Gogledd Cymru are unpredictable they might have fined him if he attempted to go back to his main home, either on a roadblock at Britannia Bridge  leaving the island or Deeside on the A55

[honeybee13]

That's a tricky one, BN. If someone was in their second home when lockdown started and stayed there throughout, I'd have thought there could be some leniency.

 

Here's an article about Demonic co-owning his parents' farm with another person. Does that mean he went to his second home?

 

Also interesting comments about the farm receiving EU subsidies, after everything he's said about the EU.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/10/dominic-cummings-owns-farm-got-eu-subsidy

[tobyjugg2]

Just yesterday Baroness Harding, the chair of NHS Improvement and the government’s lead on the test and trace programme:

 

If you have one of the symptoms of coronavirus, you must immediately self-isolate, she says.

You should then book a test on nhs.uk/coronavirus or call 119, she says.

Do not leave home for any other reason, she says.

 

So why didn't Dom do dat?

Edited May 28, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[brassnecked]

Yes HB he was right to stay there North Wales Police would have gone all medieval and made an example of him if he had been pulled trying to leave Wales, different administration and all that Welsh rules more draconian than English.

[honeybee13]

Or dragonian?

 

[unclebulgaria67]

Question-    Can the Governments track & trace app really work  ?

 

There is news that the app has crashed,  but let us presume that the app is working.

 

In the building where I work, due to the construction, my mobile phone signal is not very good, unless I am sat near a window.  In an average day, I am normally sat at the same desk,  but I may move around the building for socially distanced meetings or for other reasons e.g toilet break, making a drink. 

 

I don't normally have my phone switched on all day and I may not take it with me, if I move to another area of the building.  But let us presume that I have my phone switched on, with Bluetooth  swtiched on, so this track & trace app can work .

 

What is the working distance of Bluetooth on most phones and could the app cause too many alerts for people to self isolate ?    

 

If you have one person who is tested as having Covid-19 sat in an office socially distanced in one corner, but has colleagues in the same office,  will this app think everybody sat in the same office has had contact with this one person for more than 15 minutes ?  This could lead to a lot staff suddenly having to leave their workplace to go into self isolation.

 

And what about visitors to workplaces ?  If employers are not recording time/date and movement information, the contractors phone may cause staff in a building to receive the app alerts, even if they have not had any direct contact for the 15 minutes.

 

I can see this track & trace app causing a lot of disruption in many workplaces.

[brassnecked]

Its chock full of issues UB  Personally don't trust Serco or G4s, had dealings with rthem in a previous Support Officer job where they were unpunctual, and kept someone found not guilty waiting for a week to remove the tag, so he was stuck in bail hostel until its removal.  Can see their Contact centres messing up, and false alerts due to misdialled calls to people out of jurisdiction say Wales, or Scotland, as Mobiles aren't area coded as such.

[brassnecked]

Here is a take on how useless the government track and trace might be, with all the usual suspects involved screwing it up with cheapo solutions, wonder if Serco are using Citrix as its connection backbone? its often causing connectivity issues, there is a nickname for Citrix that starts with a colloquial term for excrement so replace C with Sh