Mutating Corona Virus

[tobyjugg2]

and Johnson/Cummings are now allegedly claiming

 

that Cummings drove 250 miles from his London home, to a separate building at his parents property, to be isolated and so his sister could drop of groceries outside the door

 

Well even that is a breach of

 

* Leaving your home AT ALL while a family member has symptoms

 

* travelling restrictions from one perfectly adequate home isolation to someone elses home with or without symptoms - exacerbated by having symptoms

 

* being on his elderly parents property when the rest of us were told we couldn't even talk to parents over the garden gate - let alone if we had symptoms

 

 

I'm sure theres many more breaches

 

and Johnson supporting it is beyond the pale .. although quite normal for him.

 

 

If the rules don't apply to the rule makers ...

 

 

 

Edited May 23, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

One early excuse today was childcare, first his parents helping and then his sister and nieces as the story developed. How could that work safely?

[honeybee13]

I don't think I've ever seen anything like this. Cummings' gang said earlier that the police didn't visit him in Durham.

 

Durham police have felt it necessary to issue a statement.

 

https://www.durham-pcc.gov.uk/News-and-Events/News-Archive/2020/April-June/Statement-Visit-to-Durham-by-Dominic-Cummings-during-lockdown.aspx

[tobyjugg2]

23 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

One early excuse today was childcare, first his parents helping and then his sister and nieces as the story developed. How could that work safely?

Yes, the tale is changing, but its simply wrong in all versions.

 

If the sister (or grandparent - another breach) was to look after the child, then the sister should have fetched the child, not have infected adults crossing the country in breach of requirements for them to stay at home..

If the child stayed with Dastardly and OH, then there was absolutely/utterly no excuse for travel.

 

So, there was no excuse for symptomatic OH and Dastardly to travel - quite the opposite.

 

Oh my, we had no options simply doesn't wash.

 

and with the claims being made - johnson (who must have authorised the press releases) is lying or the police are lying

 

 

 

( another overlap HB  )

Edited May 23, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

As Tory MP's are whipped by Johnson to support Cummings, amidst growing reports of Cummings repeatedly flaunting the lockdown rules which the rest of us were told were instructions with penalties

 

and Cummings and his wife wrote in the Spectator about their 'coronavirus experience' without once mentioning either their child or that they were away from their home in London

 

and while his wife claimed he was bedridden for 10 days, multiple witnesses say they saw him:

 

Out and about outside the property

In the graden with AbbA blaring away

Repeatedly seen miles away from the property at beauty/visitor sites

Back at his parents town after returning to Downing street apparently 'recovered'

etc

etc

etc

 

All this aside from the simple fact he should simply not have left his property in London 'for any reason', let alone be travelling around the country.

 

 

 

Petition:

Dominic Cummings must be sacked

https://www.change.org/p/uk-parliament-dominic-cummings-must-be-sacked

[unclebulgaria67]

I think i have heard the political advice before, that "once political/media advisors become the news for more than the normal 48 hour news cycle, they have to be removed".  

 

So if Dominic Cummings is still the main news story after today, then I would expect a decision will me made. Probably an apology, followed by a temporary change of role away from Downing Street. 

 

The worst thing about this is that it takes concentration away from looking at how Government can prepare the country for a steady move to a new normal safe way of life, with more businesses open and people able to enjoy forms of leisure they have been stopped from enjoying.

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

2 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

I think i have heard the political advice before, that "once political/media advisors become the news for more than the normal 48 hour news cycle, they have to be removed".  

 

So if Dominic Cummings is still the main news story after today, then I would expect a decision will me made. Probably an apology, followed by a temporary change of role away from Downing Street. 

 

 

 

Yes, and decent people have resigned for far far far less

... and their leaders, including Johnson have said it was right that they should go

 

That there has been delay in this case is already unacceptable.

 

 

That such extreme repeated offences, if true, are not prosecuted is unacceptable, let alone that the person is sacked

.. and any ministers who defined and/or promoted those rules and the penalties that people breaking them should suffer who are actively supporting him should also be sacked (IMO) as the absolute definition of hypocrisy, dual standards and abuse of position if they don't have the common decency to resign.

 

 

That senior people are supporting him seem to me to be rampant examples to everyone who thinks that they have the slightest excuse to ignore the lockdown RULES via some interpretation that could only have have been run through an English/ Emesal translator a few dozen times.

 

 

 

If those defining the laws and rules abuse them when they happen to be inconvenient, then IMO they have absolutely no right whatsoever to be defining or demanding the enforcement of those rules, or be in any position of national responsibility.

 

Edited May 25, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Dual standards is exactly it.

 

The police and crime commissioner for Durham is writing to the chief constable to ask for an investigation into Demonic's movements. Does that mean they can look at his sat nav record?

 

ETA link.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/25/durham-police-chief-calls-for-investigation-into-dominic-cummings

[brassnecked]

Not if he's using a standalone, it won't keep a dated history of journeys, it might show as a route in history, well that's what my Garmin does

[citizenB]

23 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

Dual standards is exactly it.

 

The police and crime commissioner for Durham is writing to the chief constable to ask for an investigation into Demonic's movements. Does that mean they can look at his sat nav record?

 

ETA link.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/25/durham-police-chief-calls-for-investigation-into-dominic-cummings

From the link above.. " The couple say they feared they may be incapacitated by coronavirus and thus struggle to look after their child."

 

I imagine that many parents, even more so single parents  'Feared they may be incapacitated by the virus'  However, this statement is weird.. did they both have the virus or not.. or simply were afraid they 'might' get it ? 

 

Why also was DC's Father enquiring about security for his Son.. surely that is something that should have been done by government or DC himself ?

[citizenB]

27 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

Dual standards is exactly it.

 

The police and crime commissioner for Durham is writing to the chief constable to ask for an investigation into Demonic's movements. Does that mean they can look at his sat nav record?

 

ETA link.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/25/durham-police-chief-calls-for-investigation-into-dominic-cummings

I rather suspect that any investigation will favour Demonic's version of events and let him off scott free. 

[cjcregg]

1 hour ago, citizenB said:

 

I imagine that many parents, even more so single parents  'Feared they may be incapacitated by the virus'  However, this statement is weird.. did they both have the virus or not.. or simply were afraid they 'might' get it ? 

 

At the point they left for Durham only she was showing symptoms. I think it's reasonable that as her husband he feared he may be incapacitated by the virus and indeed he was. I'm not defending him - far from it, just interested in establishing the facts.

 

 

1 hour ago, citizenB said:

 

Why also was DC's Father enquiring about security for his Son.. surely that is something that should have been done by government or DC himself ?

 

As I understand it, it's not certain what security issue Cummings senior approached the police about.

 

1 hour ago, citizenB said:

I rather suspect that any investigation will favour Demonic's version of events and let him off scott free. 

 

There won't be any investigation, he'll be gone before anyone gets the chance to start one. He's finished and good riddance to him.

[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, honeybee13 said:

Dual standards is exactly it.

 

The police and crime commissioner for Durham is writing to the chief constable to ask for an investigation into Demonic's movements. Does that mean they can look at his sat nav record?

 

ETA link.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/25/durham-police-chief-calls-for-investigation-into-dominic-cummings

 

 

Haven't they already implemented changes that allow the tracking and tracing, with or without permission, of people who have or are suspected to have, or are suspected to have come in contact with someone who is suspected to have ..  coronavirus ...

 

Meets ALL of those criteria doeesn't he

 

Sure I posted the link earlier in the thread (not the NHSx app - changes to security laws)

 

 

[unclebulgaria67]

I think this political spat that is happening could have very serious consequences in the near future.

 

With the Summer weather now with us and people wishing to enjoy holidays, as well as day breaks away from home, I can see the social distancing measures totally breaking down.

 

Weston Super Mare Hospital has had to warn that they cannot take in any more patients A&E, due to a large increase in Covid-19 cases.  

 

These coastal resorts if they start having large numbers of visitors, may see a rise in Covid-19 cases and this will spread, causing the country to suffer a major second outbreak of the virus.

 

Dominic Cummings is one man, but it is what the news story may cause, that is the problem.

 

Spain is saying they would welcome British holidaymakers from July, but the Government will require a 14 day quarantine when they land back at home.  I can see many people either totally ignoring the quarantine requirement or just not going back to work for the 14 days, trying to take the time off sick.   

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

Exactly why the other folk resigned.

 

Not even because they seriously breached the rules like Rasputin,

but that ANY infringement by those in power undermines whole process then, now and going forward

 

As is happening with every hour this goes on.

 

He should have 'resigned' or been sacked back in April when Johnsons office were first asked about it. Not allowed to carry on in his job or his (alleged) breaches.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 25, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Cummings is going to speak at 4pm today, ahead of the daily press conference. Several commentators have said this is against the government code for Spads.

 

I don't foresee any kind of apology or humility.

[tobyjugg2]

I think anything other than resignation, which he shouldn't present to the nation, will be seen by many as that the  rules dont mean sheep dip.

 

Expect a hardening of 'the rules' for everyone else.

[tobyjugg2]

correction

 

.. clarify the laws for future reference

[unclebulgaria67]

 Cummings will offer an apology for this panicked reaction to his wife becoming ill with Covid-19 symptoms and  say he now realises his actions were not within the spirit of the rules announced by the Government.  

 

It will be a continuation of what Boris said yesterday and with no offer of resignation.  

 

And then Boris at 5pm will reinforce the Government rules as they stand on Social Distancing. 

 

Or Cummings will resign as the worry is that the Tory party will start looking more closely at whether Boris is really up to the job.

 

Real shame that politics has become involved, when the subject is so serious.  It is not just the deaths due to the virus, but many businesses will shut for good and some people will be unemployed for a long period.  And every time there is a recession, there are awful consequences. 

 

 

[honeybee13]

Is it politics though? Someone who advises the PM put himself on the SAGE group to become involved with deciding policy then deemed fit to not follow the very rules he'd helped to design.

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

15 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

Someone who advises the PM

put himself on the SAGE group to become involved with deciding policy

then deemed fit to not follow the very rules he'd helped to design.

 

 

 undermine the very rules ...

 

His whole story has more holes than a colander

This isn't going away .. no matter how well they managed to bury it for a month while restrictions were stricter.

Edited May 25, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

We'll see in a couple of minutes, but even the Mail isn't happy which is interesting.

[honeybee13]

He says he's never considered resigning.

 

My gobstruck moment so far is that Demonic drove 30 miles to Barnard Castle and 30 miles back to test his eyesight?

[brassnecked]

Police enforcing Lockdown on Colwyn Bay prom  today are getting all medieval on people.

[honeybee13]

Medieval?