Mutating Corona Virus

[BazzaS]

6 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

 

plenty of soap and hot water for at least 20 seconds.

 

 

Correct.

 

6 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

 

And don't just clean your hands, you have to wash up to your elbows.

 

wrong (unless of course you are using your elbows to eat with, or using them to touch your face..... but that’s pretty tricky)

Or, if you are scrubbing up in operating theatre, then yes, to elbows 

 

 

Spend the 20 seconds washing your hands.

if you wash up to your elbows you might be wasting 10 of those 20 seconds on upper forearms that don’t matter.

[unclebulgaria67]

The washing up to your elbows advice was given by a Doctor on a TV local news programme, as best practice.  Was not explained, why this was required.

[unclebulgaria67]

 

 

https://youtu.be/H2E1t3yMXgE

Good Youtube explanation of the virus symptons.

[labrat]

Tired of hearing this now

 

I've got a headache, cough, aching joints and am constantly tired and I keep getting people turning around when I cough and telling me I shouldn't be out

 

Had a slight cough for a couple of weeks so it's not a good chance its related (although it has got worse) 

The acheing joints is due to sleeping on the floor (have to be in living room to help wife sleeping on sofa with fractured knee) 

 

And the headache and tiredness is just down to dealing with 3 hyperactive kids all day

 

Only good thing is work is talking about arranging work from home

[BankFodder]

[unclebulgaria67]

Apparently, according to some psychologists, the reason people are stocking up with toilet rolls is not just in case they are self isolated for 14 days so don't want to risk not having any, but because they are seen as large comforting packages i.e. The size of a packet of toilet roles and the softness, is a comfort against the anxiety they are feeling.

 

If you believe in such psychology !  I suppose it could make sense.

[citizenB]

On 05/03/2020 at 12:36, tobyjugg2 said:

"Prime Minister Boris Johnson said measures such as closing schools and banning big events "don't work as well perhaps as people think".

He told ITV's This Morning programme another way of responding to the virus would be to "take it on the chin" and allow it to "move through the population without really taking as many draconian measures".

Mr Johnson said it would be "business as usual" for the "overwhelming majority" of people in the UK"

 

as:

"Downing Street has confirmed that Boris Johnson is in talks with the parliamentary authorities about a possible shutdown if the outbreak continues to get worse."

 

and:

""Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle has been holding talks with medical experts and officials about the prospect of suspending Parliament until the worst of the virus blows over"

 

IMHO, they should return Nadine Dorries to Parliament and lock all of the MPs inside.. Food and booze can be delivered to them there.  If they are so confident that the herd mentality will resolve the problem.. then perhaps it might make them consider what their constituents are likely to be facing.

[citizenB]

On 14/03/2020 at 16:52, honeybee13 said:

How sad, Americans won't be able to travel to Trump's golf resort in Scotland. Will it be his Irish resort next?

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[citizenB]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8116793/Shoppers-queue-buy-CANNABIS-Holland.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ico=taboola_feed_desktop_news

 

This one is priceless.. Forget loo rolls, shoppers queue for Cannabis as the stores are ordered to be closed 

[honeybee13]

That's priceless, CB.

[cjcregg]

On 05/03/2020 at 12:36, tobyjugg2 said:

"Prime Minister Boris Johnson said measures such as closing schools and banning big events "don't work as well perhaps as people think".

He told ITV's This Morning programme another way of responding to the virus would be to "take it on the chin" and allow it to "move through the population without really taking as many draconian measures".

Mr Johnson said it would be "business as usual" for the "overwhelming majority" of people in the UK"

 

as:

"Downing Street has confirmed that Boris Johnson is in talks with the parliamentary authorities about a possible shutdown if the outbreak continues to get worse."

 

and:

""Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle has been holding talks with medical experts and officials about the prospect of suspending Parliament until the worst of the virus blows over"

 

 

More misquoting going on here.

 

He didn't say the measures such as closing schools doesn't work, he said it's what scientists had told him.

 

You've also selectively misquoted what he said about taking it on the chin. Here's the full version as reported by the Beeb including the bits you edited out:

 

"One of the theories is perhaps you could take it on the chin, take it all in one go and allow the disease to move through the population without really taking as many draconian measures. I think we need to strike a balance."

 

 

[cjcregg]

4 hours ago, citizenB said:

IMHO, they should return Nadine Dorries to Parliament and lock all of the MPs inside.

IMHO I wouldn't wish Coronavirus on anyone. 

[honeybee13]

Neither would I, but I would like HMG to start showing some compassion for people who are affected and to listen to the WHO advice instead of cherry-picking it.

[cjcregg]

12 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

Neither would I, but I would like HMG to start showing some compassion for people who are affected and to listen to the WHO advice instead of cherry-picking it.

 

Like what?

[honeybee13]

I don't have time to look up the detail right now, but from what I've read they have ignored a lot of the WHO's advice and don't seem inclined to 'test, test, test' as the WHO said today, I think it was.

[hightail]

They've done tens of thousands of tests and only around one thousand were positive.  All those negatives were only valid for that moment, same people could test positive a few days later or may have had the diease previously so I'm not sure they tell us anything useful. 

[cjcregg]

22 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

I don't have time to look up the detail right now, but from what I've read they have ignored a lot of the WHO's advice and don't seem inclined to 'test, test, test' as the WHO said today, I think it was.

 

When you say they ''don't seem inclined'' what do you mean?

 

The UK have been increasing testing dramatically  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51814874

 

The total number of tests have increased from 25,000 to 44,000 in the last week.

 

Even today the UK Chief Medical Advisor said ''We are ramping up testing significantly''.

 

[cjcregg]

15 minutes ago, hightail said:

They've done tens of thousands of tests and only around one thousand were positive.  All those negatives were only valid for that moment, same people could test positive a few days later or may have had the diease previously so I'm not sure they tell us anything useful. 

 

Indeed and the problem with mass speculative testing is that it's very labour intensive and takes already stretched nursing staff off the wards where they could be treating those who are actually sick.

 

 

[honeybee13]

NHS staff have a view on testing.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/16/resume-covid-19-testing-protect-frontline-nhs-staff

 

 

[hightail]

I think they are working on a test which will tell if someone has had the virus as well as if they’re currently infected.  Guessing that means one which tests for antibodies rather than the virus.  That would give more info and be worth doing.

[cjcregg]

8 hours ago, hightail said:

I think they are working on a test which will tell if someone has had the virus as well as if they’re currently infected.  Guessing that means one which tests for antibodies rather than the virus.  That would give more info and be worth doing.

 

Yes that's what I thought when I heard it. Testing for people who basically didn't know they had it (ie who were asymptomatic) and finding out why.

[hightail]

If you know who has had it you can send them back to work whereas currently we have thousands of people in self isolation who needn’t be.  That would make a huge difference to essential services and even volunteers.

Edited March 17, 2020 by hightail

[unclebulgaria67]

Has Government reacted in a measured way ?

 

The problem with listening to the experts, is that their advice changes, as new evidence emerges. So a Government that is following the expert advice, appears to be inconsistent and is either applying too many measures or not enough measures.

 

Politicians can never win in these situations. Easy to criticise decisions, but would you want to be in their shoes at a time like this ?

[honeybee13]

I agree it's difficult but I feel they could have avoided this.

 

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/coronavirus-uk-strategy-deaths

[citizenB]

I guess there is one good thing to come out of this virus disaster.. no one seems to be bothering about Brexit anymore !.