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    • Hi. I am reading through the full thread and will continue to research. I have come across a reference to a form called N180 DQ in the thread, but I cannot see any reference to this form in my case nor can I see it on the MoneyClaim website. Should I have been sent this form? Thanks 
    • 12mph (beyond any UK limit) will certainly qualify for a Fixed Penalty. So you should received an offer of a FP for each of the remaining two offences. Be sure to submit your licence details as instructed when you accept the offer. If you don't your £100 will be returned to you and the police will prosecute you in court.
    • and it will be also now written off under age related criteria anyway.
    • @dx100ukThanks for this! I'm still not clear if I'm facing more than 6 points on my license though. Can you explain any further please? When I accept the 2nd speeding ticket, will they just charge me £100 and 3 points, or will they be more severe consequences since that offense took place the following day of the 1st offense? Similarly, when I accept the 3rd offense, will they look at my record or just charge me with the £100 fine and 3 points? @Man in the middleI've been searching the forum and you seem very knowledgeable. Would you mind giving a look at my query please? Thanks in advance!!
    • Yes of course. That's why it says cc:: BIg Motoring World at the bottom. Don't imagine that this solves the issue. It doesn't. He not have to force the finance company and big motoring world to accept the rejection to give your money back. I suggest that you get the letter off tomorrow. And let us know what you hear but on Friday you should then send a threat to the finance company.   Have a look what I have said here about your options and read the whole thread as well.  
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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
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      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

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Police officers were issued with a parking ticket for a marked car while attending an emergency callout.

The parking charge notice, addressed to Devon and Cornwall Police, requires the force to pay £85 within 28 days.

It relates to a vehicle parked in a car park at midnight on 2 November.

Officers in Plymouth have gone on Twitter to express their frustration after they explained the situation to the company which said they would be required to submit a written appeal.

The letter goes on to say the charge will be reduced to £50 if paid within 14 days.

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-devon-50948901

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I've updated the picture you posted to screen to now a pdf as above and deleted the rest BF

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

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  • BankFodder changed the title to Euro Car Parks issued this ticket to the police in Devon and Cornwall

Devon and Cornwall, which ones infest that area?  Hopefully they will attempt to sue the Police in the Northampton Clearing centre, and the Police will defend, and bring the whole use of court by parking cowboys into sharp focus. I think there is a Legal defence that they could use as they could not be subject to any T & C's if on a genuine shout.

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Hope they get all the odium they deserve ECP are a pox on us all.What next VCS invoice merseyside police for stopping on the road to John lennon Airport.  that would be funny if VCS then tried court.

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Yes, by any standards it's a nasty little industry that only causes misery. I wonder if they tell their children what they do for a living.

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"Police confirmed the ticket was issued to a "fully marked police car" responding to an incident at a pub in the city.

They said their vehicles are exempt from parking fines while performing "operational duties".

Officers said they contacted the company responsible to request the ticket be scrapped and were told the "appeals process must be followed".

 

The Police better realise that it isn't a council PCN, and its ECP pursuing them for breach of the contract the assume the Police entered into with them when they "parked" in the area infested by ECP without first paying. 

 

Wonder if their "Appeal" will be rejected?   wasn't a police car clamped for something similar back in the day of Cowboy Clampers?

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Even ther Police seem to "misunderstand" that ECP are after them for Breach of an assumed contract, they didn't pay to park whilst on a shout in the car park, so must pay like any other sucker HB.

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10 hours ago, lookinforinfo said:

I hope the Police now ignore them and see if they get threatened with debt collectors.

 

and are asked to attend to prevent a breach of the peace when bailiffs attend  .....

 

Perhaps the police should spend just a little time looking at all the small breaches to the law that ECP make on a daily basis?

Vans parking dangerously obstructing roads on double yellow lines for starters

 

 

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ECP are likely greedy enough, they use Contract law, something the Police are usually  unfamiliar with unless they are investigating fraud.

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And of course, this money would have to be paid from a police budget – in other words public funds – making VCS even more of a parasitic company.

Bravo VCS

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Well.  Their lackeys work on commission so probably thought it would be authorisedand paid automatically.

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police can claim Crown Immunity for parking FINES but that wouldnt apply to a simple breach of contract. Now i think the police should play this along and then arrest the muppet who turns up at court to represent ECP for a number of offences including the Prevention of Terrorism Act for their processing of the images of the car, failing to assist an officer in the execution of his duty, wasting police time etc.

 

Also If i were D&C chief plod I would be biting the backside of the head of the DVLA for the same. It only goes to prove that there is NO quality control by anyone at either the parking co or the DVLA despite the annual liefest stating that the system has been rigourously tested and all  is well

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 agree EB, but If the police carry on with the PPC like they do when they help bailiffs, they might well just pay it, they will not be overly familiar with the way the PPC's bend the law of Contract, much as they "misunderstand" a bailiffs powers of entry in civil cases.

 

Would be good if the police were taken to county court, contested it and won it would be good, could see the ppc floundering with the old Elliott v Loake, and CPS v AJH Films, and chucking in beavis for good measure.  If the County Court Judge found for the PPC after Police said were on a shout, allowed to park anywhere would not go well in the Golf Club later

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1 minute ago, lookinforinfo said:

If the police vehicle  still had its blue lights on there could be GDPR involved.

wonder if the images of the car show that, would be interesting if PPC tried court, and they are greedy enough.

 

 

 

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Now that raies an interesting point about what info MUST be shown on a NTK for ANPR capture. the image in this thread only shows the reg plates as it does in many NTK's with no attempt to actually identify the vehicle by other means.

 

Now another reason for appealing is that the plates were cloned so plod could then demand the full set of images and then deny it is one of theirs.

 

Met did that when I photographed one of their cars driving through a red light without blues and twos. just because it then rear ended my next door neighbours brother's car didnt matter, they still said it wasnt theirs. It was about that time that my uncle resigned from A10 (complaints against the police) and went back to uniformed policing as senior at LD

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3 hours ago, ericsbrother said:

police can claim Crown Immunity for parking FINES but that wouldnt apply to a simple breach of contract. Now i think the police should play this along and then arrest the muppet who turns up at court to represent ECP for a number of offences including the Prevention of Terrorism Act for their processing of the images of the car, failing to assist an officer in the execution of his duty, wasting police time etc.

 

 

 

Under section 76, eliciting, publishing or communicating information on members of the armed forces, intelligence services and police officers which is "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism" will be an offence carrying a maximum jail term of 10 years.

 

I think the location of a police car and potaential ambush of its officers could easily meet that requirement

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