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MET windscreen PCN - electric bay abuse - ASDA Arla Old Dairy.South Ruislip

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After shopping at ASDA when I returned to my car in the car park (operated by MET), which was parked in the bay marked for electric vehicles I saw PCN attached to my car's windscreen and it was regarding electric bay abuse.  My car is not an electric car but is this PCN fair?

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any bay markings on private land are purely tarmax graffiti..

 

please complete this:

 

 

 


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I Know I will get flamed for this , but for once time only I am with MET .

The so called  “graffiti” is there to help people , Parent and child bays , Disabled bays , and electric charge point bays are all there for a reason  , just suppose you had an electric car and it was in need of charging ,had children in the car and need extra space to get them out ,had a disabled passenger who needs extra space . how would you feel  if the bay was obstructed .

I have no doubt the experts here will guide you to having the parking charge cancelled .

But morally ………..

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PPC's are not the moral Police

and why should they make money out of it to their pocket?

 

same as a dca on a debt you don't pay


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1 The date of infringement?

ANS: 5th Dec 2019

2 Have you yet appealed to the parking company yet? [Y/N?]

ANS: N

 

have you received a Notice To Keeper? (NTK) [must be received by you between 29-56 days]

ANS: N

 

5 Who is the parking company?

ANS: MET Parking Services Limited

 

6. where exactly [Carpark name and town] did you park?

ANS: (840) Arla Old Dairy, Ruislip, HA4 0FY

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For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

 

There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS.

ANS: BPA.

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@sparkeyrjp -   I have children and all parents and child bays were occupied (unfortunately no body receives ticket on those bays) so I searched for other empty spaces except disabled bays so only option was to park in electric charge point bays and there were plenty of those available if any body needed to use the electric charge point.

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agree, do nothing until the NTK comes through the post. It has the be served between 29 and 56 days after the date of the incident or it isnt POFA compliant and that means no keeper liability can be created.

 

MET have yet to get any of the tickets we have seen here right so dont be in a hurry to sort this matter out.

 

If you go to that place frequently can you get some pictures of the signage at the entrance to the car park and also what is placed around the car park. If there are specific signs at the charging points then we need to see those as well.

 

There is no equivalent for parking in a charging bay in the RTA and even Westminster just say please move along when finished but it is not clear whetehr they will do you for parking in a residents only area if you are charging your car and come from out of town but they do mention paying for 10 minutes parking to charge for 4 hours so perhaps they rely on the residents permit scheme to enforce the use of the EV bays.

 

Now I sympathise with Sparky's position except that the parivate parking bandits arent there to enforce anything nor to make you change your ways, they are there purely to make money for themselves. If for example the store used the money to provide more EV points or maintain the existing infrastructure then I would tut loudly as well but there is a conspiracy of silence when it comes t the Govt rolling out schemes  for such things they arent paying for and the supermarkets, developers etc who pay for their installation but seem to be supine to any idea  without considering how their customers really feel about such things. tyhey all seem to think that they should act like insurance companies do and crate a cartel to maintain ther position rather than offering a genuine choice to the consumer

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Today I received NTK from MET with mention of Parking Charge Amount £100 is Due. 

 

The date of the issue of the notice is mentioned as 6th Jan 2020 which surprises me as it took almost 7 days to arrive in post. 

 

It also mentions that 28 days from the date of the notice,  if the amount is unpaid then they have right to recover that from me.

 

@Ericsbrother,  Please see attached single image showing where my car was parked and second set of images showing signage.

 

 

Scan_28_Jul_2019_(1).pdf

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we need the NTK please bothsides as well

 

dx

 


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so the charge is for electric bay abuse.

I dont see a condition on their signage that says you agree to paying them anything for such a thing, there is a notice saying that it is prohibited for anyone other than someone charging their car up to use the bay but that isnt an offer to park in that space for £100.

 

the signage at the entrance is an "invitation to treat" so you are not bound by the terms offered on the other signs unless you wish to be.

 

both of these things as not matters that will be looked at in an appeal to POPLA so not worth appealing.

 

I  also offer the opinion that as the paint job in the bay does not fulfil the requirements of proper sigange as required under the Road Traffic Act ( yes I know it doesnt apply but is cleary the gold standard for signage etc) then there is no such restriction.

 

It has already been found by the courts that so called disabled parking spots need the blue plate as well as some paint on the tarmac to be determined as to their proper function on private land and their usage has to be made clear on the sign AT THE ENTRANCE and your invitation to treat doesnt mention it as a prerequisite so nil points there.

 

I can put a sign in my front garden saying do not park in front of my house and it carries no weight whatsoever despite the intention being clear so dotn get bogged down by argument about " you can clearly see it is a charging point". Well, nothing to stop the disabled parking in any space they wish so without the force of correct signage and legislation to support it nothing to stop you from parking there.

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