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Calderdale College/Brachers PAPLOC Now claimform - College Course Fee - Paid by DD until Forced to Leave by Calderdale College - want remaining years Fee.


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Hi,

 

I was enrolled onto a course last year, I was paying for it out of my own pocket via DD - unfortunately, I was forced by the college members of staff to withdraw from my course before it ended. 

 

I received a letter from them asking me to pay the money I owed them, just over a grand.

I replied to the letter stating that I did not owe them anything as I was not allowed to continue with the course and I have no loan etc.

 

I did sign an indemnity - which I believe to be worth the paper I wipe my backside with as you cannot do anything without signing it

- plus, I did challenge them as I did not withdraw myself from the course.

 

They've quoted me a policy, but they don't have any policy that suggests that students actually need to pay them back.

 

Fast forward today, received a letter from STA International asking me to pay the money back

- I have read some threads on here regarding them, and know to ignore them and their illegal tactics. 

 

Question is

- is there anything I need to do?

As I know the process, letters letters letters, then they will use some Hatfield Solicitors to say they are going to start legal proceedings

(if there was a legal basis - why wouldn't they state it and get on with it anyway?)

- and then what? 

 

I should also mention that I did read up on the policy they quoted me, its actually regarding getting a refund - which I am not asking for anyway!

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Scotland and SAAS?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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ok good

well we've seen a couple of court cases in all the sta threads here

and as you've spotted

its only the uni that can issue a claim.

as long as they have you correct & current address 

sit on your hands

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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more than welcome

p'haps read upload

and pop them up as a PDF only please

 

until/unless you get a letter of claim or break the mould seen here and get a claimform...you are safe to ignore

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • 2 weeks later...

Received a voice message recently asking to give them a call.... ha - nice to see them wasting their time, but this harassment business is kinda annoying - how can an organisation like a college really get away with effectively selling information to a third party like this? disgusting.

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  • dx100uk changed the title to STA International -chasing uni course fees debt
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Update - This week I got a "final notice: a chance to pay your debt by instalments" - now I know the advice from dx100uk may be "do nothing, ignore it, they cant do anything anyway" - however, for continuity of the thread as well - I would just like to post this as an update. 

 

Thanks

 

ElDiego

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wack everything in one PDF

it will help others too.

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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haha very important in as many colours as we can...

 

report the texts as spam

block all their msg numbers.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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their client name please and the full text from the very bottom of the letter

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi, 

 

Do you want me to leave the name of their client instead of hiding it? I will get a better picture of it with the bottom of the letter as well.

 

Mind you - its written in the letter of client name - please remove if not allowed. 

 

Thanks.

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as long as anything is not your info  it doesn't need to be redacted.

 

await the letter of claim from them IF one ever comes

at the moment its at the pre crayons of many colours stage.

 

I want to see who owns these sols

so the full text and fca/sra reg numbers etc etc at the vety bottom of the letter please

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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thank you.

 

looks like you have a worthy case if they do send a letter of claim

 

how far were you in before this happened?

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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It was about in April 2019 when this happened. 

 

I was paying it out of my own pocket as well - so its not like I actually had a loan or anything, so don't see how they think they can ask for any money. 

 

Do you reckon they would be taking it further? 

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you were there from sept - april of that academic year so do p'haps owe for that period regardless to whatever was the reason it didn't conclude

 

how many years was the course/qually you went there for ?

had you been there previous years.

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Yeah - that's exactly what I stated on the letter - I have paid the money owed from the time I was on the course. This was sent to college upon first receiving it and I denied that there was any debt or money owed - since then I have not responded to anything.

 

It was 2 year, as it was part time course. 

 

Not been there any previous years, was just from that time, in fact, I started slightly later than September - was around October I started. 

 

The way I have likened it is like a service for anything really - for example, contract for the internet, should the provider stop providing you internet for whatever reason, you stop your payments - as long as the period you was provided the service was paid for, that is fine. After the service was stopped - you don't owe anything as you are not receiving anything in return. 

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ok brill

just gathering info so those that will help have a better picture.

 

await the letter of claim if/until hadfields send one.

then pop back for help in reply

 

dx

 

 

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks - will do!

 

Just need some reassurance I guess.

I have a list of some pointers I've made generally, so getting a skeleton argument up if needed wouldn't be much of a problem to come by.

 

I'm just trying to think what points they are trying to make

- doesn't seem to be anything that comes to mind?

 

Unless someone here can come up and offer one - maybe I'm overthinking it though! 

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