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    • you need to realise that for every person that does come to CAG and register and tell their story...there are poss 10'000 that don't but search the interweb whereby threads that are here pop up relating to like issues they are searching upon.   Most CAG siteteam and many other registered Caggers give advice that bears this in mind and post information which not only informs the starter of a thread upon what to do, but also takes into consideration the readers from the interweb that also read the relevant advice given that might not be brave enough to register and fess up.   to that end, there is very little alternative than to appear to give 'grief' [you deserve it - tough] to a cagger should certain previous advice not have been followed.....yours is a very classic case of such. hey I've found a backdoor CCJ.   to put it bluntly, had you have followed such previous advice, you most certainly would not be in the situation you are in here now.. .so by example, not giving you grief, for future readers...………..   ...never ever move without informing a debt owner of a move of address on any consumer debt that you last used or paid within the last say 7yrs. your credit file is a major key to ascertaining that information.... .but don't just read this advice come to the consumeractiongroup.co.uk website and let us help.   lecture over... what can you do..or more importantly....what can a claimant do now they have a default forthwith judgement against you. well we can't guess.... they might simply ignore it as 1000's of people with CCJ's find out..but it becomes an issue should you wish to say get a mortgage, remortgage or further credit.   i'm not going to enter into any of that here...that's for the reader to start a thread here and seek advice on their individual situation specific to them as you have done....   so...  bearing the all of the above in mind...over to you with regard to this backdoor CCJ.   as for the other debts that you didn't action before...go read your old thread and action what appropriate advice is given there for each type of debt that has been given should you wish to avoid any further backdoor CCJ's.   dx                    
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I am an internet shopper. 

As I get older it is more convenient for me to shop online than go into town. (Too many people and oaps slow pace dont mix).

 

when internet shopping came about.  I was thrilled.

I got my card specifically for the internet.

Details I gave were for deliveries etc. 

Then it started asking my DOB and other Bank Financial Details. 

Been hacked before so was told by the Police that if you give your name number and address. 

DO GIVE OUT YOUR DOB AND BANK DETAILS. 

All neccessary tools for ID FRAUD.

 

why in hades is Mastercard starting to put up this mastercode which can be seen by anyone who hacks a pc.

asking for your Cards code, DOB and Digital reference. 

Which will give any hacker an authorised way into your bank details. 

 

Thankfully my card is not linked to my bank.

But under the Police Uk guidelines I will not give out my details. 

Hence I am being told by, Avon cosmetics, Iceland and other stores that I cannot receive the goods because I will not give out those details.

 

Please stop we are giving you too much information as it is and are leaving ourselves opened to be hacked and bank accounts tampered with by iD FRAUDSTERS. 

 

anyone else of the same opinion?

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Yes I mean that one.  We are all aware that hackers can home in on your webpage and see whatever you put into those Boxes e.g DOB and digital signature that we keep on our password Database.

This with the name and address on the Billing is a mecca for ID Fraud and using the Digital Code we give on the securcore page will give them instant access to our bank accounts. 

 

I have had several 'friends,' regale stories of woe and financial disruption due to people being able to get in their accounts after finding out their digital secure codes that the Banks/financial institutions have issued.  I have even heard that some hackers will (once they have access to your IP Address - Location), will build up a false page when you pay for goods.  This way they are sure to get hold of the details and therefore access to you accounts, which they then transfer funds from.  More than this the banks have said to people that it is OUR FAULT because we gave out our digital securecode therefore we gave them authorisation to withdraw, so we are liable for the debt they've incurred against us.  We didn't we  just tried to make an online purchase!!!!

 

Another site began the App phase of it digital revolution and lo and behold many users could not even access their accounts why because they reckoned that their digital securecode was wrong.  They had not changed it the hackers did and therefore anything they did on the false webpage was tracked by the hackers and again transfer of funds seemed to be approved.  Although the original account holder was not aware and did not authorise it.

 

In light of this and I have found if we put in our details on securecode it is implied that we give immediate consent to having a susbscribed account which costs £15 per month from these people. so as I said.  I do not wish to subscribe or give my digital code out to anyone.  Bad enough if they get my name and address.  Not to mention my DOB.  The Police have told me that if I do make purchases over the net I give my name and address and the card details.  I DO NOT GIVE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE MY DOB OR MY DIGITAL SECURECODE.  it would be like given the crimminals an open invitation to steal from my account. 

 

So why is the M*****Card people making the Retailers insist on having these details to rob us.  Could it be that the banks believe if you have money to spend then you should give it to them instead?  As they seem hellbent on making you pay for goods that you did not buy enjoy or approve of.

 

It like being done over twice once by the hackers and a second time by the Banks/financial institutions. Effectively we are giving the hackers money to rob us.

 

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1 hour ago, beetle101 said:

Yes I mean that one.  We are all aware that hackers can home in on your webpage and see whatever you put into those Boxes e.g DOB and digital signature that we keep on our password Database.

This with the name and address on the Billing is a mecca for ID Fraud and using the Digital Code we give on the securcore page will give them instant access to our bank accounts. 

This is wrong, "hackers" don't just go onto these webpages and see what you type in. In most cases it will be down to a compromised computer or a data breach (but then most data is encrypted for this reason and any good company that uses encryption will make it so it can't just be brute forced.) There are various ways that people get compromised without even knowing it and this tends to be what the issue is and that is the end user, they may download an email attachment like a PDF or image that will then either launch a browser asking for some details to see the attachment whilst looking like a legitimate log in page etc or it will inject the PC with some form of script like a key logger or RAT, that can be utilized at a later date.

 

If you have your online banking set up correctly these days there is still information that a hacker won't simply be able to steal, like the pass code that requires you to go through drop down boxes to complete a phrase, these are designed to not ask for a certain % of the word.

 

1 hour ago, beetle101 said:

I have had several 'friends,' regale stories of woe and financial disruption due to people being able to get in their accounts after finding out their digital secure codes that the Banks/financial institutions have issued.

 

As above chances are they have infected devices as most if not all banks now have MFA (Multi Factory Authentication) and this should be set up whenever you have the chance and 9 out of 10 times these MFA systems will give you one time use codes.

 

1 hour ago, beetle101 said:

I have even heard that some hackers will (once they have access to your IP Address - Location), will build up a false page when you pay for goods.  This way they are sure to get hold of the details and therefore access to you accounts, which they then transfer funds from. 

 

This is most likely hearsay, so much wrong with this statement, look into various types of hacks, phishing and social engineering and you will understand why.

 

1 hour ago, beetle101 said:

I DO NOT GIVE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE MY DOB OR MY DIGITAL SECURECODE

 

Can't say unless I have bought something on credit or an item that is age restricted I have never had to give a DOB at checkout, again if "hackers" are getting this information from your computer when filling in forms changes are you are the infected party and nothing to do with the site, that is why SSL certificates, encryption and various other defenses exist.

 

It is all about getting educated, the amount of older people I have spoken too regarding this they get scared to use the computer as they see all these campaigns about staying sage online etc they dare use it, and when they are finally forced to do something online they don't know what to do and how to stay safe.

 

I do ALOT of online ordering from sites within the UK, US, China etc and not once had an issue with getting compromised. It is all about being vigulent and preemptive, install a decent anti virus with in browser protection and read into it more.

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Sorry guys as I said in the beginning i'm an OAP so I still remember the Dolls Eye Switchboards (thats how old I am with tech).  But as to the above sorry guys not an exaggeration. Have a friend on the force. Worked all over the world tech wise. Showed me on a laptop not a mere 15 houses from mine how easy it was for them to track and copy what webpages I went to. I am not saying securcode is easy to get into but basic hackers can read with digital readers (the kind they use on ATMs to copy card pincodes), what we put on our supposedly secured webpage. Anyone know there is now a lock indicator on webpage browsers. These are not always grey locked (this site is grey).  But as I understand it, the lock should be green. So webpage hackable I'm afraid.

 

As I said DOB and digital signature as they call it.  Should not be given if you have already supplied and given your name and address. Oh and as for the other stuff see latest from Watchdog/Which Uk on Cashplus and Nat West even they admit failures on this.

 

But well worth noting that they have bloggers who empatically deny this but the banks still charge the victims to pay back whats been stolen off them!  Maybe old but hopefully not senile yet

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2 minutes ago, beetle101 said:

But as to the above sorry guys not an exaggeration. Have a friend on the force. Worked all over the world tech wise. Showed me on a laptop not a mere 15 houses from mine how easy it was for them to track and copy what webpages I went to.

 

The only way this would be possible is if your laptop or network was compromised, the fact he is 15 houses away I if he had a decent external antenna he would be able to latch onto your Wi-Fi network, either by knowing the password, brute force attack or a WPS attack. The attack he would have been doing is known as a man in the middle attack. I could sit in a cafe and spoof a wireless network that everyone connects to thinking it is the real one but in fact all their details would pass through me first.

 

5 minutes ago, beetle101 said:

I am not saying securcode is easy to get into but basic hackers can read with digital readers (the kind they use on ATMs to copy card pincodes), what we put on our supposedly secured webpage.

 

This is complete nonsense. You need to learn how SSL and data encryption works before stating this, very little is transmitted in plain text especially from banks, you do realize there are standards that they need to meet, the weakest link is the end user and that is where 99% of attacks happen.

 

7 minutes ago, beetle101 said:

These are not always grey locked (this site is grey).  But as I understand it, the lock should be green. So webpage hackable I'm afraid.

 

Again this is wrong, it all depends what browser you are using and if you are using any 3rd party services. This webpage has a valid certificate till 2020, I could say any website is hackable even with a certificate if you know how to do it but with all the various failsafes by the time someone tried to get in somewhere they shouldn't do chances are they would get shut out of the system before any damage was done and even if they did all the data is encrypted and they would need the key to decrypt it.

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PIXel 92.  Thanks for the feedback.  That’s what I have been trying to say. We OAPs are getting kinda stuck in our ways.  We believe that the things places we sign up to are the genuine article.

Its not until you youngster explain the dangers to us like your middle man café network that we realise we are not as secured as we thought when shopping.  Suddenly having to trapse down to the supermarkets/shops and having to wait ages for a taxi/cab to lug it home with is arduous but simpler as the only thing we might get lifted is our purses instead of our life savings.

 

As for complete nonense seeing watchdog BBC PROGRAM on internet banking. Uk.  Or Rip of Britain Tv Program Season 9 Episode 2 with Gloria Huniford, Angel Rippon and Julia Summerville. They highlighted such internet scams and fraudulent access to monies via online websites and [problematic] telephone calls. I am not technically minded but its not impossible it is being done and we OAP’s (who believe that Tv news is all real) are getting ripped off.

All I am saying is that we seem to be giving too much personal information over the internet for retailers just to sell us their wares surely there is an easier and more secured way to do this?

By the way. In the end telephoned retailer to ask if I could bypass securcode thing.  They sent a representative to my door.  Who said that she is aware of the problems we oap’s have been having. I’m not the only one and she was happy to take the order. Now awaiting delivery.

 

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Hi

Apart from the Mastercard issue which you have been given good adivce on you also need to make sure your PC or whatever you use is protected and keep your PC up to date and clean to prevent viruses,spyware etc.

 

1. Have a good Antivirus/Spyware Software installed. (do a full scan regularly to keep your pc clean)

 

2. If using MS Windows make sure it is up to date. (either have it set to automatically update or manually check as well)

 

3. Make sure your PC etc. installed Drivers are up to date. (do this regulary as well to keep your device running smoothly)

 

4. Make sure whatever Internet Browser you are using is up to date. (do this regulary as well)

(when I say regularly approx once a month)

 

5. on any website you are shopping on do your research of that website before purchasing from them as a website that may look like it is in the UK may not be.

 

a) look closely at the websites Terms & Conditions. (what does it say there registered address is, what does it say there Governing Law is, is it in the UK)

 

b) Check the websites internet address from their Homepage, copy there internet address and paste it into this link and see what comes up: http://whois.domaintools.com/

 

c) On there website are they display a Company Number, VAT Number, any registered body number.

 

If they have a Company Number or Company Details check them on Companies House: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/?_ga=2.212359508.1555367378.1572571026-436625259.1572571026

 

Lastly have a wee look at this ageuk link: https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/work-learning/technology-internet/internet-security/


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20 hours ago, beetle101 said:

PIXel 92.  Thanks for the feedback.  That’s what I have been trying to say. We OAPs are getting kinda stuck in our ways.  We believe that the things places we sign up to are the genuine article.

 

Its not until you youngster explain the dangers to us like your middle man café network that we realise we are not as secured as we thought when shopping.  Suddenly having to trapse down to the supermarkets/shops and having to wait ages for a taxi/cab to lug it home with is arduous but simpler as the only thing we might get lifted is our purses instead of our life savings.

 

 

 

As for complete nonense seeing watchdog BBC PROGRAM on internet banking. Uk.  Or Rip of Britain Tv Program Season 9 Episode 2 with Gloria Huniford, Angel Rippon and Julia Summerville. They highlighted such internet scams and fraudulent access to monies via online websites and [problematic] telephone calls. I am not technically minded but its not impossible it is being done and we OAP’s (who believe that Tv news is all real) are getting ripped off.

 

All I am saying is that we seem to be giving too much personal information over the internet for retailers just to sell us their wares surely there is an easier and more secured way to do this?

 

By the way. In the end telephoned retailer to ask if I could bypass securcode thing.  They sent a representative to my door.  Who said that she is aware of the problems we oap’s have been having. I’m not the only one and she was happy to take the order. Now awaiting delivery.

 

 

 

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That clip is a bit redundant, as it was set up for his demonstration, any good site will have protection against the vulnerability he was exploiting, chances are it would have been an open back end and a weak password used to on the admin account for the database.

 

You are secure when shopping if you practice safe use, that whole clip showed how vulnerable people are when they don't know how to be safe online ie using the same password for multiple accounts, he didn't steal the password in that clip it was guessed due to it being a common password, it could have also been brute forced (a program is used to enter 1000s of passwords automatically from a table of words and numbers till the correct one is guessed, even now this can be avoided by using Captcha codes or human verification,) again this isn't an exploit down to the website owner but the account holder they set their own password. In the clip they even say it is a hidden password so they can't see it in plain text.

 

When making a purchase most places won't ask for DOBs etc when it comes to taking the payment, those details are asked when you are signing up for an account that the purchase is taking place on, these are used for marketing and advertising, "Oh it is your birthday, enjoy 10% off" etc. The current system in place when making purchases is secure enough, the issues lies between the chair and computer screen in most instances.

 

A website you can check to see if your email address is https://grabify.link/NKC536 it will tell you if your email address etc has been stolen in a data breach.

 

The telephone call is again not hacking, a common one is you will be browsing online and you get a pop up to say your computer needs repairing, you are due a refund or there are hackers trying to access this computer call this number and we will fix it, then the person on the other end will try and get you to allow them to connect to your PC to convince you there is a legitimate issue when there isn't and then charge yo to fix this non-existent issue all the time frighting you showing you errors on your computer that are normal.

 

The reason why OAPs are targeted is because they are generally uneducated when it comes to this sort of thing that is why banks and other outfits offer services to make them aware of these types of frauds and how to avoid them.

 

 

 

 

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PIX_el 92

When making a purchase most places won't ask for DOBs etc when it comes to taking the payment, those details are asked when you are signing up for an account that the purchase is taking place on, these are used for marketing and advertising, "Oh it is your birthday, enjoy 10% off" etc. The current system in place when making purchases is secure enough, the issues lies between the chair and computer screen in most instances.

 

PIXel-92 I understand what you are saying but you ARE WRONG ON THIS POSTED PIC OF last page of payment request as you can seem digital signature and DOB enough said.  Already signed up for account with other details on accounts profile including cc number so details are already recorded. (much like this site). The attach for anyone reading webpage (they do not necessarily have to see programmers code – as you said one wrong email and false webpage and many people I have spoken to say they have put these details in this section and have either been ‘forced,’ to pay securecode £15 per month for the service after one month (automatically deducted from credit card), or worst someone with this information has “hacked,” into their Bank accounts and withdrew funds.  And THE BANKS THAT INSIST ON THIS METHOD have actually said as the perpetrator had their digital signature codes they were liable even though it can be proven that the person (original cardholder), was 180 miles away at the time in a meeting etc. At which point the Banks stated that they gave the company/person authorisation to do so as they had their digital code and DOB. !!!!

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