Sheffield station car park - Drop off on not designated area

[N14]

My friend three weeks back  by mistake drop off her family in taxi drop off area. It's not meant for private cars.

Later she saw the sign only for taxis and cycle. Enfocement in operation.

In this case any idea what happen?

Anyone gone through the similar experience.

Thanks 

[honeybee13]

Hello and welcome to CAG. Who is the ticket from and where did this happen please?

 

Best, HB

[N14]

1 minute ago, honeybee13 said:

Hello and welcome to CAG. Who is the ticket from and where did this happen please?

 

Best, HB

She has not received any ticket yet. This happened in railway station where forecourt of station only meant for taxi drop off and pick up.

[Bazooka Boo]

If you've not had a ticket then just get on with your life. Nothing to worry about.

Edited October 3, 2019 by Bazooka Boo

[N14]

Thanks . If it's private land do they issue tickets ?

 

Edited October 3, 2019 by N14

[honeybee13]

Yes, if you look at all the other threads in the Private Land Parking forum at CAG.

 

If a ticket does turn up, come back here for advice.

 

HB

[N14]

One more question how many days they have to issue ticket ?

Specially if bylaws apply?

 

Edited October 3, 2019 by N14

[honeybee13]

Well, we don't know who 'who' is unless you can tell us and which station.

 

What would be helpful is pictures of the signs at the station and what they say about parking where your friend did.

 

HB

[N14]

Its sheffield station. N sign says no entry other than taxis n cycle.

 

She didnt park justvdrop off for two min.

[dx100uk]

there is a grace period of atleast 10mins.

 

and that land is covered by railway land bylaws I expect

so even if so powerless PPC does fire her off a PCN 

the above 2 point typically kill them in the end.

 

and ofcourse even if 'they' the PPC did 'do court' they wouldn't see a penny of anything they might win as couny court is not the place for judgements upon railway byelaws and parking.

 

 

[N14]

[ericsbrother]

the railways company have 6 months to issue a summons under byelaw 14 (or possibly 13) but that wont happen. The burden of proof will be very high for them as you werent  actually parked in a parking place.

 

Now a private company has to follow certain rules and they never can as it isnt relevant land and the byelaws trump their so called contract. parking co's very rarely take up the cudgels over railway lnad charges as they know from bitter experiance it just cts them a lot  of money to be proved they have no rights.

 

now they ahve been asking for a change in the law but as collectivey they are so toxic it isnt going to go much in ther way

[N14]

Thanks. 

[N14]

This is the sign.

 

Edited October 8, 2019 by N14

[dx100uk]

enforcement by whom...

[N14]

Nothing written only this is the sign.

[dx100uk]

so a bloke in a tabard could stand there and demand money from people

I think not

there must be other signs

but regardless its not enforceable

and certainly not by a private parking fleecer

[N14]

15 minutes ago, dx100uk said:

 

Thanks 

I thought someone who has gone through similar experience can tell. 

 

[N14]

Hello 

This is the place.

After passing this there is taxi drop off area or taxi rank.

She stopped two min. there.

Earlier it was handled by east midland trains now emr. 

Other than this no idea.

Or no parking company name.

Thanks

 

 

[dx100uk]

pdf please read upload

 

 

[dx100uk]

PDF only please

[N14]

Not able to do it.

[dx100uk]

why not?

read upload

its all there inc progs/Apps

 

dx

 

[ericsbrother]

right, 

you need to understand that we need a lot of information to allow us to be able to help you with considered responses.

 

We need to see the letter she got (suitably redacted) and also any other signs that are there as this one doesnt sit with the railways byelaw 14 which covers parking and signs about that but may fall under byelaw 13 which is about other things such as taxis and the no entry sign.

 

If the railway co are saying that she has broken this byelaw then they cant just demand a payment, they have to take the matter to court but if they do that they dont get to keep any of the money, it goes to the dept of justice so they wouodl rather tell lies and hope to trouser the cash themselves than try their luck with a prosecution.

 

Now you mentioned that thsi was in a one way road so that begs the question   where does the entrance point to this road indicate that you need to exit somewhere else? 

 

Are you led into say a car park that has a separate exit that is controlled by a barrier so anyone making a mistake in navigation cant get out anyway? if that is so then they are stuffed in trying to enforce this particular condition

 

we do need to see pictures that tell the whole story so where is the entrance to the station land as what I can see the location is Cross Turner St and that appears to be a highway.

 

now it is not unusual for railway co's to assume that they own or control such roads so you will need to check where their authority starts and stops as far as owning the road goes and the council will beble to tell you this

[N14]

She didn't receive any letter yet... 

This road headed to taxi rank for drop off and pick up.

 

She didn't receive any letter yet... 

 

This road headed to taxi rank for drop off and pick up.

 

So there is still chance she will settled it with pcn or fpn rather than going to court.