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    • For PCN's received through the post [ANPR camera capture]       please answer the following questions.       1 Date of the infringement  10/07/2019       2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date]  12/07/19      3 Date received  13/07/19      4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?/    Yes      5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event?  yes      6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal]  yes  Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up  yes      7 Who is the parking company?  Civil enforcement      8. Where exactly [carpark name and town]    10B QUEENS ROAD, CONSETT, DH8 0BH       For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. Yes    …………………..     This is what I sent to CE appeal in my own words   Reason For Appeal: Firstly I had an appointment at that time with the dentist. My last visit 2 years ago the car park was free and was not aware of the new parking system.   The sign at the front is very obscure especially turning right into the car park. Where I did park, the sign opposite was turned 90 degrees making it hard to see.   The door at the surgery was wedged open when I entered not realizing there was a sign relating to the new system . I cannot remember if there was any signs inside the surgery but once in I always pick up a magazine to read until the dentist is ready to see me.      My statement and evidence to POPLA. in response to CE evidence highlighting main arguments.   Par 18 . The image submitted from the Appellant of a sign slightly turned is still readable and is not obscured...….. Me Not from where I was parked. A photo from the bay shows a pole with the sign facing away.  Par 18 . Furthermore, it highlights that the Appellant was aware of the signage on the site and failed to comply with the terms and conditions regardless.......  Me I treat this paragraph with contempt. There is nothing to "highlight" here as I maintain I did not see any signage; Regardless ? I could have legally parked right outside the Surgery as there were spaces at the time but having "regard" for disabled and elderly, parked further away having to cross a busy road to the Surgery. Par 20....,. Furthermore, the Appellant failed to utilise the operator’s helpline phone number,,, (displayed at the bottom of signage) to report the occurrence, or to request advice on what further action could be taken.... Me How could I have done this ? I only realized there were signs there when the PCN arrived. Summary. I stand by statements and maintain that I did not see any signage entering or leaving the car park. The main sign at the entrance is too small and easily missed when you have to turn right though busy traffic and once through carefully avoid pedestrians, some walking their dogs. The main sign is blank at the back. When you leave the car park I would have noticed the private parking rules if the writing was on both sides. Roadworks signs close to the parking sign at the time did not help either. [see photo] CE evidence is flawed, illegal and contemptuous. Photos submitted are from months ago, Today I have driven into the car park and noticed the same signs turned 90 degrees including the one opposite my bay. CE have done nothing to rectify this disregarding my evidence and the maintenance of the car park. Showing number plates is a total disregard to patients privacy and I object to these photos being allowed as evidence on the grounds that they may be illegal.    POPLAS assessment and decision....unsuccessful   Assessor summary of operator case   The operator states that the appellant’s vehicle was parked on site without a permit. It has issued a parking charge notice (PCN) for £100 as a result. Assessor summary of your case   The appellant states that he parked on site to attend a dental appointment. He states that the terms of the site had changed since the last time he parked two years ago. He states that signage at the entrance to and throughout the site did not make the terms clear. The appellant has provided various photographs taken on and around the site. Assessor supporting rational for decision   The appellant accepts that he was the driver of the vehicle on the date in question. I will therefore consider his liability for the charge as the driver.   The operator has provided photographs of the appellant’s vehicle taken by its automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) cameras. These photographs show the vehicle entering the site at 14:17 and leaving the site at 15:13. It is clear that the vehicle remained on site for a period of 56 minutes.   Both the appellant and operator have provided photographs of the signs installed on the site. The operator has also provided a site map showing where on site each sign is located.   Having reviewed all of the evidence, I am satisfied that signage at the entrance to the site clearly states: “Permit Holders Only … See car park signs for terms and conditions”.   Signs within the site itself clearly state: “DENTAL PRACTICE PERMIT HOLDERS ONLY … ALL PATIENTS AND VISITORS MUST REGISTER FOR A PERMIT AT THE PRACTICE RECEPTION ... IF YOU BREACH ANY OF THESE TERMS YOU WILL BE CHARGED £100.”   The signs make the terms of parking on the site clear, are placed in such a way that a motorist would see the signs when parking and are in line with the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice.   The operator has provided evidence to show that a search for the appellant’s vehicle has been carried out against the list of vehicles for which a valid permit was held on the date in question. The appellant’s vehicle does not appear on this list.   The appellant states that he parked on site to attend a dental appointment . I accept that this may have been the case, however I do not accept that this entitled the appellant to park on site outside of the terms.   The appellant states that the terms of the site had changed since the last time he parked two years ago. The operator’s photographs of the signage on site are dated 27 March 2019.   It is clear based on these photographs that the terms had been in place for at least three months by the time the appellant parked, which I am satisfied was a reasonable period for any regular user of the site to adapt to any change to the terms.   The appellant states that signage at the entrance to and throughout the site did not make the terms clear. He has provided various photographs taken on and around the site.   As detailed above, I am satisfied based on the evidence as a whole that signage made the terms sufficiently clear. I am satisfied from the evidence that the terms of the site were made clear and that the appellant breached the terms by parking without registering for a permit.   I am therefore satisfied that the PCN was issued correctly and I must refuse this appeal.   docs1.pdf
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Hi Guys

 

Started a new thread on this as there are quite a few on here already that I have read.

 

Would be greatful for any advice on this.

 

My partner has received a PCN from VCS Ltd saying that she owes them £100 for stopping on red lines. Or only £60 within 14 days of the issue date.

 

She wanted to just pay it and I said no chance. So I'm gonna fight it on her behalf. I have had no contact with VCS and after reading other threads will be ignoring any letters until there is a letter from a solicitor regarding a court summons.

 

Is this the correct procedure at this point?

 

Cheers

hobnail

 

 

 

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cross T and dot I first please

 

 

answer the above q's back here 1st

and scan both sides of the NTD/NTK up here as ONE multipage pdf please

 

read upload

 

dx

 


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For PCN's received through the post [ANPR camera capture]

 

please answer the following questions.

 

1 Date of the infringement - 30/8/19

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] - 6/9/19

 

3 Date received - 12/9/19

 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] - NO

 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? - YES

 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] - NO

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up - N/A

 

7 Who is the parking company? - Vehicle Control Services Ltd

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] - Liverpool JL Airport L24 1YD

 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. - looks like IAS

 

There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. If you are unsure,

please check HERE

 

If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here - N/A

 

Here is the pdf as requested

 

cheers

front and back of letter

 

 

PCN - Front.pdf

 

back of letterPCN - Letter back.pdf

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thats not an ANPR capture.

its a spy car 

 

no such thing as no stopping

and the byelaws over rule all their stupid unenforceable rules anyway.

 

dx

 

 

 


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Hi.

 

VCS are fairly new to Liverpool airport, but we have a couple of other threads about them that are worth a read.

 

HB


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so all that being said is it same as other threads. Eg, ignore all letters until a solicitor gets involved?

 

cheers again

hobnail

 

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jla john lennon airport Liverpool airport etc etc 

go back past 2014 on these no stopping rubbish here

the situation has never changed

 

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Apologies Hobnail, I was thinking of Southend where VCS are new.

 

HB


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Thats ok honeybee if you a mod I can understand that :)

 

So i'll just ignore until I get a Letter Before Action right?

 

These bastards must really coin it in from people who can't be arsed to fight it or just think its "the law"

 

What a sad world we live in when greed and corruption are the norm.

hobnail

 

 

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Spot on, Hobnail. :)  Had you realised that the private parking companies [PPCs] are ex-clampers? You might view them in a different light knowing that.

 

If memory serves the Parking Prankster website/blog has information about JLA.

 

HB

 

 


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Aye they are scumbags alright.

 

We were late getting to the airport so droped the girlfriend off to check bags in before I went to park the car in prepay carpark.

 

Saw they wanted £3 just to drop off so though I'll just pull over - only took about 60 secs. So they fleece you for £3 or £100 either way they robbing you blind. 😠

 

 

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If you rode a pedal cycle or an e bike with no numberplates up that road and stopped to read the sign, the spy car would follow and the operator try to get your details to give you a charge for stopping.  I phoned and asked VCS, and they confirmed that is what they would do even to a mobility scooter or a  broken down vehicle.  they would likely ticket any Roadside recovery vehicle that came to assist as well.


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So what is a red route and does JLA have the authority to enforce? well, red routes are very specific for both place and purpose and strangely enough not policed by ex clampers on behalf of TfL or other citiers where the scheme is authoried..

 

As already said, JLA has its own byelaws and these trump any contract that VCS may offer and that is all VCS can do is offer for your consideration a PARKING contract. Somehting saying no stopping isnt  an offer to park for you to consider adn either accept or reject. for those reasons VCS dont have a leg to stand on but as they are greedy adn dishonest they wont drop the matter until their bluff is called. For every person who comes here for advice and takes them on another 99 will fall in line and pay up so they keep going after people without lawful reason as it pays them very well.

 

So read the other threads and you will get an idea of what piffle you will get on your doormat before the great minds at VCS send you their lba. This you respond to but no need to waste yout time on anything else. Do not use email to correspond with them under any circumstances

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Cheers everyone for the advice.

 

How long before I can expect the Letter Before Action is sent my way - presumably this will be after several threatening letters to our address with  the "penalty" costs rising every time right?

 

 

 

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Something like that yes, when you do get a LBA, one of ericsbrothers snotty letters is in order letting them know that you know they have no lawful reason to claim even a can of maggots for a non parking incident.


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Hello again,

 

I was wondering how long it would be before I start getting more letters from VCS. Its been over a month now since our first letter.

 

Is it usual for them to take ages to sent further threats of court/increased fines ect.....??

 

Is it wishful thinking that they leave us alone now?

 

Cheers again

hobnail

 

 

 

 

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Did you send an ericsbrother style snotty letter?  they might leave you alone until just before Christmas, then get a tame powerless DCA to start sending letters with some spurious charges added to increase the  "(NON) debt" To them its a psychological game, so they will ramp up their threats at the festive season hoping to frighten someone into compliance.  VCS are not honest brokers, and  have no Locus Standi to demand anything where Bye-laws are in force.


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Hi brassnecked

 

No I've ignored them so far. Told to just wait until I get the LBA from them. Just thought it strange I've had no more threats from them since. I was expecting more "fear" thats all.

 

Not that I'm worried tho

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