VCS PCN Claimform - no stopping - spycar CCTV - Liverpool Airport "offence"

[dx100uk]

file ...urm. no spelling check.

 

sols urm.. must have had internet issues whilst typing... with 2 errors me thinks.

 

choose her most local county court or the one easiest to attend IF it ever goes there, for her.

 

use this PDF much tidier

 

 

[Hobnail]

Okay Do I get proof of posting for forms back to CC?

 

And VCS? the same p.o.p?

 

 

[dx100uk]

Cant see why not its free

[Hobnail]

Okay will post both in the morning.

 

Also today we received the letter below.

 

From reading another thread I see this is standard now to take the legals away from ELMS and take it in house themselves.

 

I'm I right to now just ignore this letter?

 

2021-12-06 Elms no longer acting..pdf

[dx100uk]

thats his new mate he has conned onboard at Simple Simon towers, won't be around long like the others i bet.

there is no litigation dept, just another desk nearer the bog, with a bloke at it in a different coloured skirt.

he'll soon learn he is onto loser and even get his collar felt by this cilex regulator too and run away.

 

ftmdave quite nicely explain what this means in sev threads with regard to who's in court IF it ever goes that far. bottom line is it should mean an easy win for you with the right WS as a locum knows nothing about the cases they represent.

[Hobnail]

All good but do I ignore then?

 

 

[dx100uk]

What have you seen others advised?

And what do you think you can do.?

 

NOT being funny, but this thread is now 167 posts in length, a good portion of which mostly relates to us nurse maiding you at every stage.

 

And we are only at dq the n180 stage.

 

Your 1st post within a few lines says ive read lots of threads......

 

Please for her and your sake get your act together...research..focus.know whats to come and how to deal..

 

We have no issue's with, and you should, always check here before doing anything... But.......try and conclude each stage first to the best of your ability first..

 

Dx

[Hobnail]

Jesus I was told to always ask before sending any letters .

 

So this is what I did. So you give me a crappy attitute for no reason.

 

I have been grateful for all the info & help I have received and I HAVE read lots of threads but sometimes they contradict, or are unclear. Hense why I asked for help.

 

You yourself have sometimes given me vague answers so I have had to ask for clarity on more than one ocassion.

 

If you don't wish to help ignore my post and let someone else answer. Other help has always been much clearer anyway.

 

You have a bad attitute to be working for a help service.

 

 

 

 

 

[dx100uk]

nope, i will use any tool in my book to make sure you get things right.

we give vague answers because it's oneway to make people research and investigate by searching here on CAG .

 

i've lost count of the times here various CAG members have also asked you to research and read up.

 

its not done to annoy, it's not done to belittle, it's done because simon is a very very slippery customer and WILL exploit the slightest error.

 

you are now fast approaching the most important stage - witness statement exchange and unless that's done in a way that naisl him SHUT, she will have a very difficult time understanding and explaining everything infront of and to a judge. You can't be there, only she can and if you don't 1000% understand what is being put and done, how are you going to pass that understanding on?

 

me and other members can help you all we can and will to the dying end, but if it doesn't sink in...i dread to think of her chances....

 

dx

 

 

 

 

 

[lookinforinfo]

Hobnail please don't take offence . DX covers so many different threads throughout the Forum so tends to be quite short in more ways than one. And while he may have been away from school when public relations were on the curriculum he is right when he said that you do need to understand how these crooks operate to be able to able to beat them in Court. All of us here want our members to win against the parking companies  and the best way is to see how others have handled similar situations. I expect he knows that you may not have looked at many threads on here to give you ideas to better your chances of winning.

 

You may have heard of the expression "Judge Lottery" on here where some judge comes up with an off the wall decision that virtually no other judge has come up with. So even where you have almost a cast iron case it can all go awry and the way to help circumvent these judges is to have sufficient knowledge and understanding to be able to counter his or her judgement.

 

I happen to think that no one should lose their case on airport land since the roads  are usually covered by the Road Traffic Act and /or Bye Laws since the land is not relevant land under PoFA. But it is surely better to be over qualified in your knowledge of your case rather than being under prepared. You never know until it is too late when you needed to be over qualified. We all hate it here when one of our members don't win their case so DX in his own sweet way  is just making sure that you have the best possible chance of walking away a winner.

 

PS I had started to write this before Dx wrote his post just now.

 

Edited December 6, 2021 by lookinforinfo

[Hobnail]

Ok so after I updated and showed my missus, DX's recent replies

 

"she will have a very difficult time understanding and explaining everything infront of and to a judge"

 

and

 

"but if it doesn't sink in...i dread to think of her chances...."

 

My other half has crumbled and will not go to court. Would have been difficult to get her to go anyway and we hoped it would not get this far. Nothing I can do to persuade her now.

 

So does anyone else think it worthwhile to contact VCS (direct or through mediate on the N180 form) to negotiate the figure down from £185 to say the original £100.

 

Or are we on our own now?

Edited December 8, 2021 by dx100uk

[dx100uk]

there is a very very long way for this to run yet hobnail and it might not even get that far if a good WS is done later on, though i would have hoped by now by reading the cases here you would have realised that you wouldn't be able to goto court for her.

 

we know there are serious issues with whom actually own the airport and who is legally allowed to sign contracts on behalf of them with external parking scammers.

 

dont give in

 

 

[Hobnail]

My other half received the following letter today in the post.

 

Thought at first they had not received her Small Claims Track questionaire that we sent back on the 9th of December 2021.

 

But it looks like a copy of a letter sent to VCS ltd.

 

It would seem they have not returned their N180 form, as it says the Order is to The Claimant.

 

I recon it could be good news but thought I would clarify?

 

2022-01-12 court order for VCS N180.pdf

[brassnecked]

If VCS don't respond to the court with the DQ, the claim will be struck out.

[Hobnail]

Yes that is what the letter is saying. Looks like they have until the 17th Jan.

 

Do you think they have just forgot or is this some sort of ploy?

 

Cheers for the help.

 

[dx100uk]

Not a ploy just forgetfulness. 

 

Dx

[Hobnail]

Had two lettes recently. See attached.

 

Looks like court (date set for May) and seeing as my missus will not go to court would I best be advised to negotiate a lower amount?

 

A counter reduced settlement charge (see VCS letter) or at least wait until after the 13th April to see if VCS pay the court fee?

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

 

 

N157+VCS begging letter.pdf

[dx100uk]

best to wait. you never know and ofcourse no stopping cases are notoriously difficult to win now for simple simon and it's JLA , where i believe there are issues over ownership and who can sign contracts or whom.

 

please remember to name your upload so we know what it is not just a default scan label

[brassnecked]

Oh the you will get hammered for extra costs of £220, if you don't take our offer, Simon has been pulled up on that one a few times as he cannot ask for that in the Small Claims Track, costs are fixed.

[Hobnail]

Okay we will wait to see if he pays the court fee by the 13th april.

 

Court is set for  the 11th of May.

 

If he pays th fee then I will try to get a lower amount.

 

Thanks

 

[lapwing_larry]

I assume that is your VCS case reference number at the end of the bogus VCS offer to settle letter? You might want to remove that.

[Hobnail]

I cannot edit.

 

Could a admin take down the second pdf for me. Cheers.

 

 

 

[FTMDave]

Attachment edited.

Hobnail, it's a bit difficult to know what to advise due to your OH's attitude.  We generally get people here who are up for fighting an injustice all the way.  We normally don't get the "it's only £60 I'll give in" people because, er, they have already given in rather than come here.

One of the regulars here once said everyone should go to county court once in their lives.  It wasn't a joke.  County court is about as intimidating as a job interview and you learn so much about the legal process.  The hearing may be on-line anyway.

But it's up to her.

OK, see if Simple Simon pays on 13 April and if he does then reply to VCS that you accept the £192.50.

However, we would advise to ignore the letter and turn up in court, as Caggers have a superb record of winning VS no stopping airport cases and Simon has an absolutely appalling record.

[brassnecked]

That extra costs letter has been his undoing before when it was presented to the court by defendant.

[lookinforinfo]

Hobnail

if you are not going to Court then work out the maximum you will  pay and then offer £30 quid less at least.

And in view of the fact that Judges will be crossing out charges any greater than £100 in line with the Government's new Code of Practice [anything higher than that has been labelled a "rip off" by  Government Ministers] that should be your maximum too.

 

Point out that by accepting your figure, they avoid the expense of going to Court plus having to complete a Witness Statement which is time consuming and paying a solicitor which in itself will be around £200 to £250 depending, they would be better off accepting your £70 and at least getting something out of it.

 

You could add that they must bear in mind that should you lose, your wife has an important job that will add a further £200 to the bill and were it not for the pressure of her work she would go to Court. Anything more than £70 and she would be inclined to take it all the way.

 

You could add that by doing it under the counter as it were, this eliminate the need to pay their legal team and the debt collector as VCS could tell them they had decided to drop the charges. 

 

Anything under £100 is a bonus for them as they save paying for a solicitor in Court so there is no reason why you should not share in their benefit and they  accept less than £100.

 

Personally I'd wait till a few more cases go through the Court and see how they fare and point out to your wife that the Small Claims Court is very informal.

 

You only call  the Judge Sir, not Your Honour and the solicitors are usually still wet behind the ears and will probably only have received the defence from VHS the day before the hearing. And the legal people at VCS are rubbish while she has a strong case.