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    • I posted a reply earlier which I have now deleted because I realise that I hadn't read your story correctly. You have laid out £1000 on repairs to a vehicle which according to you is probably in need of further repairs. Although you have been rebuffed by the dealer at your first asking, your position would be much better had you provided the quotes for the repair work to the dealer in advance so that he had forward knowledge and was able to present his own opinions before you went ahead and spent the money. This kind of transparency is essential when you are in conflict with somebody who may later on dispute the value of the work which was carried out. Fortunately you have had more than one opinion from independent garages and this will be very helpful to you. So in order to recover your money, you have prepared a letter but which is rather open-ended because it simply says that you would like to have a reply within 14 days or else you may go and see a solicitor. Given that you have been rebuffed quite peremptorily by the seller of the vehicle, I don't think that this is going to make very much impression. You need to take control of this and assert yourself. I notice that you say that you are too exhausted to look around for a replacement vehicle. Do you have the stamina to conduct a small claim against this dealer? It's very easy but it will require some tenacity and there won't be a quick solution. I can expect to go on for six months or so before you get a result unless the dealer decides to put their hands up. I would avoid going to a solicitor if I were you because first of all you incur expenses which you will not get back from the dealer. Also the solicitor will start off by sending letters which will simply delay things further and of course will incur further costs for you. You haven't told us the name of the dealer – even though you have been asked by another member of the site team. He also haven't told us anything about the car – the make, model, year, mileage and price. I think we will have to modify your letter based on whether you think that you would be prepared to take your own small claim action. If you do take a small claim action then your financial outlay will be fairly minimal and everything you do outlay will be recoverable – assuming that you win. On the basis of what you say, I would guess that your chances of success are much better than 90%. However, there is the issue that the dealer may try to challenge the value of the work you have had carried out because you didn't give him any advance notice. We will have to deal with this.  
    • So Guys, After sending the last letter as everyone else  here I got a reply from Moriartylaw with a statement that ADCB instructed them to act on their behalf and a copy of all my credit card bank statements. Not sure what to do now. They want me to respond and supply them with a list of asset and liabilities.    please the attachment of the letter. moriartylaw.jpeg.pdf
    • Okay, let me start again. In terms of planning, is it not enough to say they don't have it since it's not shown on the council site? If not, if I ring Stockport planning would they put in writing that there's no planning?   I could contact the land registry to find out who the land owner is. If I contact them directly maybe they'll tell me if they have a contract in place. If they ignore my request too then should I be doing other things to find this out?
    • I'm trying to work through this step-by-step as I read the story again. There was a dispute over a will in respect of your grandfather's house but the dispute was eventually abandoned and it seems that the house was apportioned to your mother and her brother who presumably were the only two children. The will was unsigned and so we could say that the house passed to the two of them under the rules of intestacy. You then decided to buy the house for £50,000 and presumably the money you paid was divided between your mother and your uncle – who were the owners of the house. This was in 1999. We talking about 20 years ago here and so in respect of most legal questions I would have thought that some limitation period applied. (However the issue of the trust has been raised – and this wouldn't be affected by limitation) However, presumably the house was bought at a proper value given the market at the time and any work that it needed doing. Presumably the house was properly conveyed. Although a lot of things have passed – including home improvements, tenancies et cetera, from the story you have told us, neither your parents nor your uncle have been involved in this at all. Now you have received a letter from your parents saying that the house is really theirs and that you have simply been holding it on trust for them and they now want it back. Is this a reasonable summary of what has happened?   Although you have written a fair bit about bills, tenancies, and that you have lived in your parents home for some of this 30 years, I'm not sure what relevance that has to the problem. I have to say that your explanation is very unclear. A bit rambling in fact. If you think that part of the story is relevant then maybe you'd like to express it all a little more clearly and say in what way you think it is relevant to the problem. You are much more familiar with the story then I am but I don't see that those factors are terribly important on the brief understanding that I have. if if any money is owed to your parents because of you having lived with them et cetera then it seems to me that that is a separate matter and has nothing to do with your ownership of the property. You say that you have received a letter from solicitors claiming first of all that there is a constructive trust or that you might be subject to a proprietary estoppel. In terms of the estoppel, that doctrine is only available in very particular circumstances and could not be used to attack you in any event. Estoppel, whether it is proprietary or promissory can only be used as a defence. So the question of estoppel in this situation is completely irrelevant, in my view, although I don't see any basis for one in any event. So what remains is the possibility of a constructive trust. It seems to me to be highly unlikely that there is such a trust and I think that the first question needs to be asked is on what basis they consider that there is a constructive trust. Secondly, of course, even if there was a constructive trust, on the basis of what you have told us, it wouldn't only be your mother who was the beneficiary, it would also be your uncle. Furthermore, if you were a constructive trustee then at the very least you would be entitled to recover all of the expenses that you had laid out over 30 years – including the cost of the property plus interest – less any financial benefit that you had accrued from renting it out and so forth. I'm not sure how good this analysis is. This is well out of my experience – but I would suggest that you consider it and see whether any of it rings true. I would also start making a very detailed account of all the money which you have spent over the years on the property and also a detailed account of all the benefits you have accrued from it. I wouldn't supply this to their solicitor but if you end up having to instruct your own lawyer then I'm sure that you may be asked for this if there is any suspicion that a constructive trust may exist. Frankly it sounds like a load of rubbish to me but we will be very interested if you will keep us up to date. So there you have it. No particular answers. Just a few unsupported and unqualified opinions    
    • Hello and welcome to CAG.   I agree with dx, hiring a lawyer is unlikely to help as most of them don't understand fare matters, so you end up paying for their learning curve.   Your idea about involving your GP is a good one, it sounds as if you need their input with how you're feeling. And if they would write a supporting letter that could help too. Hopefully your medical information will be through in time.   HB
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A few years ago on this forum I took the advice of ignoring a PCN which as predicted eventually went away.

 

In May this year I received a windscreen notice form myparkingcharges and I decided to do nothing and see what happened.

It seems that there is a more tenacious follow up these days.

 

(Briefly: A small full car park for the local railway station. 

My tiny SMART car will fit into a small space which is too small for most cars but is not marked with white lines in the way other spaces are.

I have parked there before without incident and actually thought I was doing a good turn by saving the big spaces for more average sized cars).


Today I have received a Letter Before Claim and am now not sure what to do.

My instinct is to pay the initial £60 charge but it seems that may not end the matter.

I have read about an SAR which I need to submit - would it mean a letter something like this?:

 

Thank you for your letter dated **/08/2019. 

Please can you let me have a copy of all photos taken

Please provide me with a copy of all letters on this subject.
Please send me a PDT machine record from that day including payments made 

A copy of all data held, all evidence you will rely on, and a full copy of the PCN and NTK
A  list of all PCNs you consider are outstanding against me and/or this VRN, 

 

Is this correct?

I would rather just get rid of this and pay the initial £60 but as the bill is now £160 it is a lot of money to lose.

 I have tried to read through all relevant threads but would really appreciate some easy to follow advice.

If I can get away with £60 I would be OK but obviously would rather not pay at all.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

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Hi, welcome back.

 

Could you post up the questions from the forum sticky together with your answers so we can advise you please? It's best to wait until the guys have looked at your information before you start writing as it could end up as pointless letter tennis.

 

 

HB


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Thanks for the swift reply.

These are the answers to the questions on the sticky:

It was a windscreen 'Red Square': ATTENTION DOCUMENT ENCLOSED.

It was followed up 9 days later with a Parking Charge Notice/Notice to Keeper

 

1 The date of infringement? 20/05/19

 

2 Have you yet appealed to the parking company yet? No

 

  If you haven't appealed yet - ,.........have you received a Notice To Keeper? (NTK) [must be received by you between 29-56 days]

what date is on it.   RECEIVED on 01/06/2019

 

Did the NTK provide photographic evidence? Only of the car registration plate. Not of the parking bays

 

3 Did the NTK mention Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) NO

 

4 If you appealed after receiving the NTK, Not applicable

 

5 Who is the parking company? myparkingcharge

 

6. where exactly [Carpark name and town] did you park?  Canley Railway Station,Network West Midlands,Canley Station,Canley Road.Coventry.CV5 6BH

 

The car was only parked for minutes as I was being dropped off at the Station by a neighbour who was using my car. She just walked with me to the station to help with my luggage. The car park is free. My tiny SMART car was in a small space that would not accommodate bigger cars. The car park was full and we were only a few minutes as I was catching a train. 

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really they think they can over rule railway byelaws now too..!!

 

 


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scan up your NTK to one PDF please

read upload

bet you were there<10mins anyway.

 

in all effect it matters not as I expect [you need to check on planning portal of council]

the car park land is owned by the railway co. so byelaws rule.

 

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Can you confirm the car park? They are saying a business park on the ntk. Need to establish if it's railway land covered by byelaws or not.

 

Have a look on the website and see what photos they have. Have they given you observation times?

 

Get your own photos of the site. Entrance, overall plan (inc sign locations) where you parked. We could do with a close-up of the signs. Need to read the "naughty list" and small print. 

 

The parking charge was £100, discounted to £60 for early payment. VCS aren't likely to be offering the discount again any day soon. The extra £60 that's gone on top of the £100 can only be claimed from the driver, not the keeper. Don't tell them who was driving and the most they can claim is £100. As it's VCS they will keep at this like a dog with a bone, but you should be able to swat it away with the right response at the right time - which isn't yet. For now, gather the info, let us have it, but otherwise sit tight.

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That is very helpful Mrs O'Frog. We will collect all the relevant information and post it tomorrow or Thursday. Thx.

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You said there was a notice attached to your car on the day-did you keep it or can you at least post up the gist of it.

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I have loaded the photos from the car park and the various notices.

To answer Mrs O Frog's questions:

The sign at the entrance to the car park indicates it is Canley Station Car Park provided for rail users only. It is under the 'banner' West Midlands Network and refers to West Midlands combined authority. I am not sure whether it comes under railway land byelaws. There is a road between the station and this car park so it is not right next to it. About a 30 second walk.

 

The driver/ vehicle does not come under the full terms and conditions for 10 minutes. I do not know what evidence there is that the car was there for longer than 10 minutes. I was reluctant to follow the links on their initial windscreen notice to their website for fear of incriminating myself. Is this where there might be more evidence/photos and if so am I 'safe' to take a look?

 

The signage does clearly say parking only in marked bays- we chose to park for a short time in a small space next to the bays thereby freeing up space for other cars. My car is so small it easily fitted in the space - my bonnet facing the wall and the rear end lined up with the other cars. It did not block anything including the Park and Ride sign on the wall.

 

it is obvious taking a closer look that there are cameras trained on that area no doubt to catch people out when the car park is full and there is no other choice but to take a risk and park where they shouldn't. There are no other alternative car parks nearby so not being able to park means missing the train. 

 

As this is a free car park for users of the station presumably catching people out is the only source of income and why cameras are positioned where they are.

 

The Privacy notice is also clear.


I look forward to hearing your advice. Thanks so much.

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Hi lookinforinfo,

 This is a pdf scan of the windscreen notices. It is as clear as I can get it. 

 

To answer Mrs O Frog's questions:

The sign at the entrance to the car park indicates it is Canley Station Car Park provided for rail users only. It is under the 'banner' West Midlands Network and refers to West Midlands combined authority. I am not sure whether it comes under railway land byelaws. There is a road between the station and this car park so it is not right next to it. About a 30 second walk.

 

The driver/ vehicle does not come under the full terms and conditions for 10 minutes. I do not know what evidence there is that the car was there for longer than 10 minutes. I was reluctant to follow the links on their initial windscreen notice to their website for fear of incriminating myself. Is this where there might be more evidence/photos and if so am I 'safe' to take a look?

 

The signage does clearly say parking only in marked bays- we chose to park for a short time in a small space next to the bays thereby freeing up space for other cars. My car is so small it easily fitted in the space - my bonnet facing the wall and the rear end lined up with the other cars. It did not block anything including the Park and Ride sign on the wall.

 

it is obvious taking a closer look that there are cameras trained on that area no doubt to catch people out when the car park is full and there is no other choice but to take a risk and park where they shouldn't. There are no other alternative car parks nearby so not being able to park means missing the train. 

 

As this is a free car park for users of the station presumably catching people out is the only source of income and why cameras are positioned where they are.

 

The Privacy notice is also clear.


I look forward to hearing your advice.

 

Thanks so much

 

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The windscreen notice is a Notice to Driver. So they should wait for between 29 and 56 days before sending you the Notice to Keeper. By sending it within fourteen days they have lost any chance of being able to lawfully  claim any money from you.

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The windscreen notice I suspect is one of VCS's red "This is not a parking charge" sticky bits of confetti. It has been argued against and lost (on a few occasions) the courts and DVLA both say it's okay and isn't a ntd (despite the fact that it's a notice and is left for the driver) so they can still use the 14 day timings. A mockery of the system I know, but there we have it.

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urm..allowed to take photos of people to ID the driver

 

oh no they are NOT!!


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thread tidied

yes its a red notice too

FP can you attach the windscreen ticket scan pdf again please

it appear to have not stayed .


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I have been trying to find out who owns the Land. Without paying the Fee to the Land registry I can't ascertain but will do if this is essential. This is the free information they have provided.

Address:

Park and Ride Site
Coventry Business Park
Canley Road

 

Tenure:
Leasehold
 
Everything else I can find relates to West Midlands Combined Authority who offer 'Considerate Parking'.
 

 

 

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As you've received the NTK now, it's fine to go on the myparkingcharge site and see what other photos they have. Check the timings on the photos - we want to see how long they have as an observation period.

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I have checked the site and there are 6 photos. All but one are angles of the car parked and the  registration plate. The other is a photo of the Park and Ride notice already provided via my pdf upload. There is no evidence of the driver or of how long the car was parked there. 

It reads:

The Site Enforcer had reasonable belief that the above vehicle had committed the following contravention:

Contravention: 86) PARKED BEYOND THE BAY MARKINGS.

 Date and time of recorded contravention: 20th May, 2019 at 09:55:00

 

If the photos are useful I will pdf them but I dont think they really add anything to the initial photo on the NTK.

I cant see any evidence of how long the car was parked there. 

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Times on the photos?

 

Also, we can't read that sign in the NTK it's way too tiny. Can you put the sign photo up please?

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If there are no time stamps anywhere they cannot prove you were there for more than 10 minutes. That gave you time  to read the signs and decide you didn't want to abide by their T&Cs , so you left.  And you weren't parked there, just stopping to read the signs.

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Great advice-thats what I hoped I could say.

Next question - when do I do that?

Is this the sitting and waiting bit now having collected all the bits and pieces I need?

Is there anything else I need to do for now?

 

 

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I wondered if anyone has had chance over the weekend to look at my post ? I was asking if I need do anything at this stage or wait for VCS to contact me again? Thanks very much.

 

 

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as post 12

 

lets see if they are brave enough to send a letter of claim.

 

IMHO nothing for you to do yet bar get clear photos of the T&C's small print?


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