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    • For PCN's received through the post [ANPR camera capture]       please answer the following questions.       1 Date of the infringement  10/07/2019       2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date]  12/07/19      3 Date received  13/07/19      4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?/    Yes      5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event?  yes      6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal]  yes  Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up  yes      7 Who is the parking company?  Civil enforcement      8. Where exactly [carpark name and town]    10B QUEENS ROAD, CONSETT, DH8 0BH       For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. Yes    …………………..     This is what I sent to CE appeal in my own words   Reason For Appeal: Firstly I had an appointment at that time with the dentist. My last visit 2 years ago the car park was free and was not aware of the new parking system.   The sign at the front is very obscure especially turning right into the car park. Where I did park, the sign opposite was turned 90 degrees making it hard to see.   The door at the surgery was wedged open when I entered not realizing there was a sign relating to the new system . I cannot remember if there was any signs inside the surgery but once in I always pick up a magazine to read until the dentist is ready to see me.      My statement and evidence to POPLA. in response to CE evidence highlighting main arguments.   Par 18 . The image submitted from the Appellant of a sign slightly turned is still readable and is not obscured...….. Me Not from where I was parked. A photo from the bay shows a pole with the sign facing away.  Par 18 . Furthermore, it highlights that the Appellant was aware of the signage on the site and failed to comply with the terms and conditions regardless.......  Me I treat this paragraph with contempt. There is nothing to "highlight" here as I maintain I did not see any signage; Regardless ? I could have legally parked right outside the Surgery as there were spaces at the time but having "regard" for disabled and elderly, parked further away having to cross a busy road to the Surgery. Par 20....,. Furthermore, the Appellant failed to utilise the operator’s helpline phone number,,, (displayed at the bottom of signage) to report the occurrence, or to request advice on what further action could be taken.... Me How could I have done this ? I only realized there were signs there when the PCN arrived. Summary. I stand by statements and maintain that I did not see any signage entering or leaving the car park. The main sign at the entrance is too small and easily missed when you have to turn right though busy traffic and once through carefully avoid pedestrians, some walking their dogs. The main sign is blank at the back. When you leave the car park I would have noticed the private parking rules if the writing was on both sides. Roadworks signs close to the parking sign at the time did not help either. [see photo] CE evidence is flawed, illegal and contemptuous. Photos submitted are from months ago, Today I have driven into the car park and noticed the same signs turned 90 degrees including the one opposite my bay. CE have done nothing to rectify this disregarding my evidence and the maintenance of the car park. Showing number plates is a total disregard to patients privacy and I object to these photos being allowed as evidence on the grounds that they may be illegal.    POPLAS assessment and decision....unsuccessful   Assessor summary of operator case   The operator states that the appellant’s vehicle was parked on site without a permit. It has issued a parking charge notice (PCN) for £100 as a result. Assessor summary of your case   The appellant states that he parked on site to attend a dental appointment. He states that the terms of the site had changed since the last time he parked two years ago. He states that signage at the entrance to and throughout the site did not make the terms clear. The appellant has provided various photographs taken on and around the site. Assessor supporting rational for decision   The appellant accepts that he was the driver of the vehicle on the date in question. I will therefore consider his liability for the charge as the driver.   The operator has provided photographs of the appellant’s vehicle taken by its automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) cameras. These photographs show the vehicle entering the site at 14:17 and leaving the site at 15:13. It is clear that the vehicle remained on site for a period of 56 minutes.   Both the appellant and operator have provided photographs of the signs installed on the site. The operator has also provided a site map showing where on site each sign is located.   Having reviewed all of the evidence, I am satisfied that signage at the entrance to the site clearly states: “Permit Holders Only … See car park signs for terms and conditions”.   Signs within the site itself clearly state: “DENTAL PRACTICE PERMIT HOLDERS ONLY … ALL PATIENTS AND VISITORS MUST REGISTER FOR A PERMIT AT THE PRACTICE RECEPTION ... IF YOU BREACH ANY OF THESE TERMS YOU WILL BE CHARGED £100.”   The signs make the terms of parking on the site clear, are placed in such a way that a motorist would see the signs when parking and are in line with the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice.   The operator has provided evidence to show that a search for the appellant’s vehicle has been carried out against the list of vehicles for which a valid permit was held on the date in question. The appellant’s vehicle does not appear on this list.   The appellant states that he parked on site to attend a dental appointment . I accept that this may have been the case, however I do not accept that this entitled the appellant to park on site outside of the terms.   The appellant states that the terms of the site had changed since the last time he parked two years ago. The operator’s photographs of the signage on site are dated 27 March 2019.   It is clear based on these photographs that the terms had been in place for at least three months by the time the appellant parked, which I am satisfied was a reasonable period for any regular user of the site to adapt to any change to the terms.   The appellant states that signage at the entrance to and throughout the site did not make the terms clear. He has provided various photographs taken on and around the site.   As detailed above, I am satisfied based on the evidence as a whole that signage made the terms sufficiently clear. I am satisfied from the evidence that the terms of the site were made clear and that the appellant breached the terms by parking without registering for a permit.   I am therefore satisfied that the PCN was issued correctly and I must refuse this appeal.   docs1.pdf
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UKCPS Parked Outside Marked Bay KIRKBY main car park - free 3 hours max

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The keeper has received a letter to keeper about not parking in a marked bay by UKCPS.

 

How does the keeper fight this.

 

Managed to covert the letter and here it is ...

 

 

For completion this was manual NPR not ANPR so ...

 

 

please answer the following questions.

 

1 Date of the infringement 12/08/2019

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 14/08/2019

 

3 Date received 15/08/2019

 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] Dont think so

 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Inconclusive

 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal]

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up No action taken yet

 

7 Who is the parking company? UKCPS

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] KIRKBY main car park - free 3 hours max

 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. IAS

 

UKCPS Parked in Unmarked Bay.pdf

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now how is anyone supposed to amke sense of what they are saying, they say parked outside of marked bay in Kirkby but as they didnt slap a ticket on the car i would say that they have failed to properly identify the land they manage as Kirkby with a population of 40,000. Does that mean they have signed a contract with everyone there or have they just screwed up? ( we know, we know)

 

The photographic evidence is garbage and that is another POFA fail.

The amount  outstanding on the invoice is stated as £60 but later on they say that they want £100 so that presumes that someone has already paid the difference of it can never be owed. Another POFA (and accounting) fail.

 

What would be useful is pictures of the entrance to the site from the public highway and of any signs there plus any different signs around the site. If thereis no sign at the entrance then we want a picture showing that as evidence you werent offered any contract and that is relevant because of where you parked.

 

As they are IPC members there is no point at all in appealing so get your pictures as soon as possible so you can bash them when the time comes. In the meanwhile ignore any letters they or their tame DCA's send other than a proper letter before action and that will be from Gladstones solicitors who coincidentally are also the IPC  so dont splutter in your cornflakes about this conflict of interest

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 we want pictures of the lack of signage as well as close ups of the signs. When I say close ups I need to be able to read the small print on the IPC  logo because there are 2 IPC's the International Parking Community and the Independent Parking Committee.

The latter is a spoof by someone who registered the name under the noses of Will and John of Gladstones who are also the IPC and forced them to change thier name to the former from the latter.

If the sign logo reads independent paking committee then the sign breaks the law and no contrcat can be formed and the parking co cant legaly apply for your keeper details.

This small point may be enough to get them to drop their claim later on as Will and John will be too embarrassed to continue when they have publicly stated they will sue any using the old name in relationship to their activity

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OK

piccies of site entrance in your own good time then

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Posted (edited)

Committee on sign, Community on letter

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You keep this info and evidence tucked away somewhere secure it will be very useful much later on.

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MSE suggests the following response regardless of alleged contravention ..

 


Re PCN number: 

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a formal complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner and to my MP.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require ALL photos taken and an explanation of the allegation and your evidence, i.e.:

- If the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it. 

- If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner. If you fail to evidence the actual grace period that applies at this site or suggest that only one period applies, this will be disregarded as an attempt to mislead. In the absence of evidence, it will be reasonably taken to be a minimum of twenty minutes (ten on arrival and ten after parking time) in accordance with the official BPA article by Kelvin Reynolds about 'observation periods' on arrival being additional and separate to a 'grace period' at the end.

- in all cases, you must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date.

Formal note:
Should you later pursue this charge by way of litigation, note that service of any legal documents by email is expressly disallowed and you are not entitled to assume that the data in this dispute/appeal remains the current address for service in the future.

Yours faithfully,

 

Photo on letter proves nothing

 

https://imgur.com/gallery/Ye8VTe1

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no we don't adhere to that advice neither the court defences they use.

 

 


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not really, just correct and incorrect way to address things

each to its own.

but its not a good idea to ever crack a walnut with a sledge hammer when you wantto actually eat the nut inside.

 

CAG and parking prankster are worthy reads esp prankster site

there you'll get the truth...


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Appealing usually ends up with the dirver being identified and the protection of POFA is lost.


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8 minutes ago, brassnecked said:

Appealing usually ends up with the dirver being identified and the protection of POFA is lost.

 

The MSE template does not identify the driver.

 

The driver will never be identified.

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No that doesn't but often if someone does their own appeal, they do usually before they have looked anywhere for advice.


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9 minutes ago, brassnecked said:

No that doesn't but often if someone does their own appeal, they do usually before they have looked anywhere for advice.

 

The driver in this instance will not say a word.

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regarding report

location is fine.

not to worry.

 

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This Seems better, even if ignored because it tries to address the issue ...


Re PCN number: 

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a formal complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner and to my MP.

 

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require ALL photos taken and an explanation of the allegation and your evidence, i.e.:

 

- As the allegation is regarding being parked outside of a marked bay i require proof, including all photographs taken. The picture in the letter does not show anything apart from the front of my vehicle and the shadow of the person taking the photo.

 

- photographs showing how long the vehicle was parked in alleged contravention as there is a grace period to read the signs and move if required.

 

- you must also include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date.

 

- the driver denies the alleged contravention

 

Formal note:
Should you later pursue this charge by way of litigation, note that service of any legal documents by email is expressly disallowed and you are not entitled to assume that the data in this dispute/appeal remains the current address for service in the future.

Yours faithfully,

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Someone has been very friendly on facebook and provided the following ...

 

MY Name

My address
Xxxxxxxxxxx

Today’s date xxxxx

PCN number: xxxxxxx 


Dear Sir / Madam, 

I am in receipt of a Notice To Keeper in relation to vehicle registration number XXXXX

 

This debt is denied.

 

I am the keeper of the above vehicle but am under no obligation to identify the driver as you have failed to comply with a number of criteria outlined in  Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 as outlined below. : 

 

1. No period of parking shown or provided. 


2. No evidence to support your claim that a breach of terms and conditions occured.


3.  " KIRKBY" is not "relevant land"  and could in fact be anywhere
( as paragraph 9, 2 (a)

 

Notice To Keeper states that this alleged debt remains unpaid. Please explain how it remains unpaid when this is the first and only corrospendence recived?

 

This wording suggests a NTD was affixed to the vehicle, if this was the case then the Notice To Keeper has been sent before 28 days so you have failed to comply with PoFa by obtaining keeper details before 28 days.  I will be sending DVLA a SAR to clarify this to find out when keeper details were requested. 

 

If this PCN is not cancelled then please be aware I will not enter into any further correspondence with yourselves or your appointed debt collection agency.  

 

Should you still pursue this matter then provide an unredacted copy of the contract between yourselves and the landowner showing proof of your jurisdiction to issue parking charges in this area.

 

Please cancel this and do not contact me again other than to confirm this has been cancelled. Any further correspondence from you will be considered harassment and will be reported to the appropriate authority. 


Yours faithfully, 


Registered keeper 
[Xxxxxx name]

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Date of infringement 12/08/19

 

They have 14 days to get a compliant NTK to you if no ticket attached to vehicle. Send that appeal now and they just correct their NTK (with a mental "thanks for the heads up") and send you a compliant one.

 

Less is usually more - keep your powder dry.

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nice friend...NOT!!


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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Mrs O'Frog said:

Date of infringement 12/08/19

 

They have 14 days to get a compliant NTK to you if no ticket attached to vehicle. Send that appeal now and they just correct their NTK (with a mental "thanks for the heads up") and send you a compliant one.

 

Less is usually more - keep your powder dry.

 

So when best to send it then?

 

surely they cannot reissue if they mess up?

Edited by CofiwchDryweryn

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30 minutes ago, dx100uk said:

nice friend...NOT!!

 

The points look good to me. Whats the problem?

 

Driver is not identified.

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Mrs 'O Frog has put it as plainly as possible. An appeal is useless they are members of the IPC, Gladstones in another frock, you willl lose your appeal. Again it's your choice but we would advise not appealing.


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Sending nothing in at all seems counter intuitive though.

 

Do I just keep the POFA breach for court?

 

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