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Welcome: 'Don't have a valid PPI complaint'?

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Good evening all.

A few weeks ago I remembered that 22 years ago I used Welcome Finance to buy a car.

I thought I remembered being cheesed off at the time with them adding some extras on but couldn't be sure.

I sent them a SAR and, unbelievable, they responded with my data (although actually just two PDFs, one with their privacy notice and one showing my old account.

 

However, I must admit that I don't seem to be able to understand it properly.

In the below PDF it shows that there were 'extras' (Insurance default, Old mechanical breakdown, collision call and Old shortfall / Gap insurance) added but it says in one page of the PDF that they were started 10/05/1998, ended at different dates but then shows 'cancel date' was 2/06/1998 - less than a month after they were added.

 

However, you will see on the second page, showing the account, that on 19/5/1998 'Insurance Premiums Advanced' of £236.03 were added as well as 'Disbursal of fees' of £55.

PDF here

 

In the second PDF they sent, it states:

Terminology Appendix

Please be aware that for the outcomes listed below, you don’t have a valid PPI complaint against

Welcome Finance.

Non-regulated - Pre June 2000 Sales

This policy was purchased prior to Welcome Finance’s voluntary membership of the General

Insurance Standards Council (GISC) which began on 27th February 2003.

 

The (then) Financial Services Authority agreed that any non-regulated insurance sales (that is, those sold prior to Welcome Finance’s membership of GISC) are the esponsibility of the insurance underwriter.

 

Due to the date on which this policy was purchased, the PPI mis-sale complaint must be referred to the underwriters of the insurance for it to be considered.

Unfortunately Welcome Finance does not hold records of underwriter agreements prior to June 2000 due to the time and as such we are unable to confirm the details or provide information about the underwriter of the policy.

 

When selling insurance policies, Welcome Finance was acting as an agent of the insurance underwriter under a signed contract.

The earliest contract signed by Welcome Finance and an insurance underwriter of which we have retained a copy is dated June 2000.

 

In terms a complaint for PPI mis-sale, as the insurance underwriter does not seem to have had a written contract with Welcome Finance, it considers itself to be outside of any regulatory liability obligations.

 

Although PPI-mis sale is the responsibility of the insurance underwriter and not the lender, any complaint pertaining to an unfair relationship due to the sale of PPI is the responsibility of the lender and as such, WFS will consider any such complaint where valid.

 

Out of Scope - Date Range

As you did not have an account open as of 6th April 2008, you cannot complain about an unfair relationship due to undisclosed commissions in line with the Financial Conduct Authority Policy Statement PS17/3, issued in March 2017.

 

Please can I ask for some advice on my perhaps naive question of - are they correct re any claim being out of scope?

 

Sorry for being confused.

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any possible PPI claim will be against the underwriters, who would have been regulated at the time. in most cases [check up] they were [eventually] aviva I believe. there would be no time limit.

 

welcome are then talking about the situation regarding a PLEVIN reclaim of unfair undisclosed commission they got paid by the underwriters for selling their product..this is why they are relating to the time limit, which does apply.

 

i'll read the letters later.

but the bottom line without the at least full agreement or statements , theres very little chance of reclaiming the PPI itself 

but the thinks they list, would all be classed as PPI regardless of the various 'names' they use to sc@m people out of money inc GAP which WAS ppi too.

 


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Okay, thank you. Yes, please take a look at the PDFs, they aren't the whole thing, just the relevant screenshots....

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only one Page...??

can you please not use a hosting site

put everything in one multipage pdf and attach it here by drop n drag in the bottom of every msg box .....choose files

 

though if there is an outstanding balance I cant see you getting anything anyway.


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Apologies, it’s the only way I could see of providing the relevant parts.

I’m unsure how to edit the PDFs they sent me so as to not show the personal details?

 

The balance was / is zero, I just didn’t provide the whole 4 pages.

 

Any ideas as to how to redact the personal info from a PDF?

 

Here you go, all the relevant parts with my details removed.

Thoughts would be welcomed (not a deliberate joke)...!

 

 

 

 

welcome docs.pdf

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bang shot yourself in the foot

why did you mention PPI in the sar request?

 


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looks like you still paid for ppi. {£236.03}

 

unravelling the crap in the letter

it looks like your can make a PPI reclaim directly to welcome

even though they were not GISC regulated, they are saying the underwriters were, but they cant say whom they were, but from other threads here it should be easy to work that out if needs be 

 

so you had a loan of £2269.44 of which 236.03 was PPI

 

so ppi/loan*100=ppi%

 

236.03/2269.44*100=10.4%

 

so anything you paid 10.4% of it was for ppi

so statint sheet time

 

 

 


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Two things to say;

1. I’m absolutely positive that I sent the standard DSAR template with zero mention of PPI!!!

2. Thank you for this unbelievable help, honestly, I don’t know where I’d be without you guys.

 

Just checked and I sent the standard DSAR template with absolutely no mention of PPI!!!

 

 

Forgive my nativity but doesn’t it say that the PPI, etc was cancelled after one month, but the invoice shows it was added and not cancelled?

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so they owe you

 

dx

 


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Again, please forgive my niavity but I'm struggling to work out which is correct - on one page they say they were cancelled but another shows the account and where it was added but then I can't see it taken off? 

I'm just trying to play Devil's advocate here in case it comes to court?

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they charged you for it..no sign of a refund in the statements.

quite typical of welcome of that era to remove all the vehicle related stuff as they were trying to get approval to GISC and that was one of the things spotted by the regulators ...they were to that point making gap/mec/col compulsory.

 

notice also it says insurance default..which means they were still making PPI compulsory and did so in certain geographical areas deeming it a risk area until they eventually got GISC approval when they then too removed the compulsory PPI as GISC said they couldn't do that after arguing for several years about it with the regulators .

 

its all in archive posts here from Postggi. 


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God they were swines!!!!!!

(thank you!)

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A question, if I may; when I claim for the £236.03, will I be claiming the 8% interest?

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already answered in post 7


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I can’t get my slow head around that 😒

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You claim section 69 interest (8%) on top of your final figure within your court claim...only a court can award 8% on top of the PPI claimed


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Thank you so much. 

Is there a reason I can’t claim back the other add-ons?

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they were not charged you..they were clearly removed in the docs you posted up?


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Request for reimbursement then 7 day LBA?

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well get the FOS CQ and the statint int sheet done first along with a covering letter

then they have 8 weeks

you cant just jump to court no.

 

you should know all this already.....


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Posted (edited)

Maybe I should...but I have a hell of a lot on my plate, but thanks for the advice.

 

Re ‘should know this already’, I guess it depends on your frame of reference for ‘should’?

It’s been over eight years since I went the court route and have never made any reference to, or been part of a conversation about a ‘statint int sheet’, I don’t even know what one is.

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well that's of your doing..

prioritise things that need to get done so you don't miss PPI timelimits.

the rest can wait..


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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, dx100uk said:

well that's of your doing..

 

?? Family issues - Not of my doing.

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aha..i was going by the amount of recent threads...:lol:


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WE CAN'T GIVE ADVICE BY PM - IF YOU SEND ME A LINK TO YOUR THREAD - I WILL BE HAPPY TO OFFER HELP THERE

Single Premium PPI Q&A Read Here

Reclaim mis-sold PPI Read Here

Reclaim Bank Account, Loan & Credit Card Charges Read Here

The CAG Interest Tutorial Read Here

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