Landlord emptied property

[mmfhater]

Hi guys 

My brother got arrested and remanded and I have been dragged into sorting his stuff out 

The letting agent has been round to the HMO and taken everything out first they said the room had been burgled 

They said the burglary had been discovered when the maintenance man had gone round to change the lock yet they were the only people to have a key 

When pushed they admitted they had taken all the property and put it in storage so they could re let the room but they still insist all the electrical stuff had been stolen and they had reported it to police they then called police to have me removed from the letting agents 

The police told me no burglary had been reported the letting agent  then said they didnt report it as they couldnt get through to them 

They had my phone number but didnt ring they then said they had lost it but he had written it in his diary 

Where does my brother stand as the TV was mine which I lent him and his xbox ps4 ect has all gone missing 

 

The pic is of the lock that was on the door 

 

[ericsbrother]

you sue the letting agent for the lost items. They admitted thy have the reat in storage and cant prove a burglary so it is for them to make good

[45002]

mmfhater

Did your Brother give permission to letting agent to clear his room out ?

 

If No, Illegal eviction spring to mind.

 

https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/eviction/eviction_if_you_are_sent_to_prison

 

Just because someone been remanded or sentence to a term of imprisonment, the tenancy still carry's on.

 

Brother could be released next week or when ever, where he going to live ?

 

Courts and in the end bailiffs end a tenancy and not a Letting agent or LL.

 

Sounds like someone helped themselves to brother belonging.

 

Brother could sue for illegal eviction.

 

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/50/section/27

 

Damages for missing belonging

 

tort interference of goods act 1977 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1977/32

 

IMHO

 

Edited May 14, 2019 by 45002

[45002]

PS: You could Deactivate the PS4   https://tinyurl.com/y52pcsmb

 

Edited May 14, 2019 by 45002

[king12345]

Take this rogue estate agent to the cleaners, they deserve it.

[stu007]

Who is the Estate Agent?

 

I would also report this to the Local Council as the HMO needs to be registered and inform them of Estate Agents Actions at the same time checking they are actually registered as an HMO.

 

If not already done so I would also report the missing items as stolen to the Police.

 

 

[mmfhater]

Thanks for the replies

The letting agent is Quinn and co owned by Martin Quinn 

 

A report has been made to the police and I'm now waiting for them to contact me 

I am also in contact with the council for the illegal eviction and I've looked at the list of HMOs and it doesn't seem to appear on it so I've asked the council and they are looking in to it 

 

I went in the letting agents  yesterday and video recorded everything and he admits that he cleared it out so he can rent it out as its losing money and one min he saying everything got stolen the  he admits it's in storage but still insists the electrical goods have been stolen but they did not inform me or the police 

[45002]

Do you know the who the owner is of the property is ?

 

If you do contact them and tell them what letting agent have been up to

 

If you don't know, try the land registry

 

https://www.gov.uk/search-property-information-land-registry

 

Only £3.00, click on Start know.

 

Good luck.

 

 

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[stu007]

Hi

 

Something else to consider looking at the Estate Agents website (go to the very bottom of the webpage) you will see 2 logos of bodies they are registered with.

 

Residential Landlords Association (RLA): https://www.rla.org.uk/

RLA Code of Conduct: https://www.rla.org.uk/about/code-of-conduct.shtml

 

The Property Ombudsman: https://www.tpos.co.uk/

https://www.tpos.co.uk/consumers/can-i-complain-intro

 

You could consider making a complaint to the registered bodies

[king12345]

Press for the police to charge someone at the estate agent for the theft.

They must know who entered the room to remove goods, so that's the first suspect as there was no break in.

Every other complaint will not have any major effect on these rogue.

[mmfhater]

Omg you cant make this up 

This is an email Martin Quinn the owner of Quinn and co sent me 

Bear in mind I have a signed letter from my bro giving me permission to get his personal property but martin Quinn wont let me 

 

You can’t evict someone who isn’t there? I told you we will not deal with you or your family so you have no need or right to attend our office and if you do the police will be called and they have already been notified of your intended visit.

 

If you are unhappy with the way we are dealing with this I recommend you contact a solicitor.

 

Bear in mind that we are not dealing with this property anymore so your solicitor should contact the landlord.

 

Please do not contact me again, I will not respond as I have nothing further to say

Edited May 16, 2019 by mmfhater

[king12345]

Apart that he stole your brother's property and you have authorisation to act on his behalf.

Don't answer, go to the police as many times as you need to, until you find an officer willing to do what they're supposed to do: prosecute criminals. 

Print out all the evidence you have and the theft act, so to show that they need to do something. 

Forget about solicitor,  this is not a civil matter.

[mmfhater]

Complaint filed with RLA 

Solicitor is also writing to them and I'm going down this eve as he will call the police so once they are there I will push for him to be arrested for theft 

[king12345]

Make sure you have someone videoing whatever happens there, or you could find yourself in trouble with "witnesses" against you.

I would personally stay outside and talk to them from the street.

That way you wouldn't even trespass.

Bring all records with you so when the fool calls the police you'll have something to show them rather than telling them your version of events.

Hopefully someone (not you) will be nicked.

Whatever they say, remain calm, even if they say bad things about your family.

Again, get someone to film them and you.

[mmfhater]

9 minutes ago, king12345 said:

Make sure you have someone videoing whatever happens there, or you could find yourself in trouble with "witnesses" against you.

I would personally stay outside and talk to them from the street.

That way you wouldn't even trespass.

Bring all records with you so when the fool calls the police you'll have something to show them rather than telling them your version of events.

Hopefully someone (not you) will be nicked.

Whatever they say, remain calm, even if they say bad things about your family.

Again, get someone to film them and you.

I always film when I'm there so there is no dispute  as I know the police would side with the rich letting agent 

[king12345]

Better to have someone filming both parties, so they can't say you were provoking from behind the camera.

Also, if someone is close to you and they come forward, the camera held by you will not show who moved, so they can say you attacked them first.

Seen this many times with employees wearing body cameras.

Be careful.

[mmfhater]

Update

Went to Quinn and co. to try and get the personal property back I didnt enter and martin Quinn called police 

 

Police wouldn't listen to me and backed him  and i was told if I go back il be arrested 

 

Called 101 and reported theft of property now waiting for police to contact me as I have him on video saying it's in storage but he is telling police it's all been stolen yet I have a witness that saw the contents of the  property being removed on the Monday daytime 

 

I have also informed the solicitor who is going to write to him about the property 

[stu007]

Hi

 

I am sure the ICO may be interested in this as well as you have asked for relevant documentation with the full authority of said person in writing and they have basically refused.

 

Just a daft question when you asked for this information did you enclose a copy of said letter of authority so there was no question you could act on there behalf?

 

Anyway there ICO Registration Number is: ZA248972

ICO Link: https://ico.org.uk/ESDWebPages/Entry/ZA248972

 

If 30 Calendar Days have passed since they acknowledge your request for said information and they have refused complaint to the ICO: https://ico.org.uk/make-a-complaint/

 

Please Do Not go near there offices as you have found out from your last post this lot are playing hard ball.

 

Anything you do you put it in writing only, ensuring to keep a copy and get proof of posting, keep a good paper trail.

 

 

[mmfhater]

7 hours ago, stu007 said:

Hi

 

I am sure the ICO may be interested in this as well as you have asked for relevant documentation with the full authority of said person in writing and they have basically refused.

 

Just a daft question when you asked for this information did you enclose a copy of said letter of authority so there was no question you could act on there behalf?

 

Anyway there ICO Registration Number is: ZA248972

ICO Link: https://ico.org.uk/ESDWebPages/Entry/ZA248972

 

If 30 Calendar Days have passed since they acknowledge your request for said information and they have refused complaint to the ICO: https://ico.org.uk/make-a-complaint/

 

Please Do Not go near there offices as you have found out from your last post this lot are playing hard ball.

 

Anything you do you put it in writing only, ensuring to keep a copy and get proof of posting, keep a good paper trail.

 

 

I've got no intention of going to the office again  

 

I have Also spoke to the trade body who were very interested in the emails so they now have a copy of them 

As the police officer took there side and wouldn't listen or act I'm thinking of putting in a complaint about him 

I'm also ringing the council again to try and get them to take action against them 

I'm doing everything I can at the moment to have Quinn & co of bmouth 

[king12345]

Yes, start getting everyone involved.

Expose them but be careful to be absolutely factual. 

Don't say "they stole my property " but explain that they entered and removed goods and when challenged they said things were stolen, no break in, no police report.

[mmfhater]

The council have phoned him and he has said my brother can return and they have not evicted him so the council  are just taking his word for it 

[ericsbrother]

yopu must understand somehting about the policeman's actions, they didnt side with the "rich estate agent" they decided that  your action was likely to cause a breach of the peace so asked you to leave to prevent that. Now the breach of the peace may have been Martin Quinn thumping you because you had upset him so there is a lesson to be learnt from this and it was hinted at but you missed it. You should have called the police first and told them why you were going to be there and ask them t be present to prevent a breach of the peace as you fear you may be assaulted because of his previous behaviour.  If they had someone available they would have turned up.

 

Now what you need to do is stop lashing out in all directions and focus on either getting a formal complaint of theft inverstigated or you take civl action  and sue for the value of the lost/stolen goods. Neither of these courses of action have anything to do with the council and if you want to try and get them interested in an unlawful eviction then you do that as a separate event

[mmfhater]

I did go to police station before hand at approx 5pm and told them I was going there 

Not once did I go on to his property or raise my voice 

The PC was fine with me until he heard my surname and realised who my bro was 

 

I have spoke to a ds today about my bro and he is passing another message on to the OIC so hopefully I will be meeting him tonight when he starts duty to show him the videos I recorded 

 

When i told the ds about the letting agent saying everything got stolen he burst out laughing and said he had never heard of that and he has been in the job for nearly 20 years 

 

Like I said earlier the solicitor has emailed the LA and once they reply he will let me know 

[mmfhater]

Solicitor has had a reply from letting agent and they are still saying everything has been stolen so I sent solicitor a bit of the video and I have been told to attend police station and show them the reply and video as 1 min he is saying it all got stolen

So hopefully they will listen now as the oic has not contacted me or replied  to me even thou I have said I have evidence of him lying and  a witness who saw them removing property and the la it seems has also lied on the police statement 

[ericsbrother]

then getting your complaint heard properly will make them think about clobbering agent for wasting police time and that may well make him think again about how he wants to deal with things.

 

Ultimately it makes your civil claim rock solid when you sue him for the value of the items that were not returned, judges dont side with peopel who have proved them selves "unreliable witnesses"