Jump to content


BARAWEEZ

SIP Windscreen PCN - outside lines - Harding Street, Salford

Recommended Posts

Hi

 

Yesterday a group of us visited Manchester and parked at private parking, which later learned was Harding Street, owned by SIP.

 

we paid for 12hrs plus parking as wanted to make sure I covered the cost of stay

- but on return found a Parking Charge Notice (PCN)

- Reason = "Not in Marked Bay'. 

We were far from happy as to be honest didn't even notice a marked bay as the lighting was far from good compared to other well known carparks.

 

This is old railway arches converted into indoor parking, so if you can imagine going in from bright conditions to dingy conditions and guess it took some time for eyesight to adjust.

 

I hope someone can help with an independent view of whether the attached represents clear adequate bay marking

- I'm not so sure and thought that the owners should take responsibility to keep bays adequately clearly marked.

Views most welcome.  

20190511_172407_desktop.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

please complete this:

and pop you picture up as pdf so we can zoom it please

read upload

 

dx


PLEASE DONT HIT QUOTE IF THE LAST POST IS THE ONE YOU ARE REPLYING TOO.

MAKES A THREAD TWICE AS LONG TO SCROLL THROUGH!

please do not post jpg images directly to a topic..USE PDF ....READ UPLOAD.

 

WE CAN'T GIVE ADVICE BY PM - IF YOU SEND ME A LINK TO YOUR THREAD - I WILL BE HAPPY TO OFFER HELP THERE

Single Premium PPI Q&A Read Here

Reclaim mis-sold PPI Read Here

Reclaim Bank Account, Loan & Credit Card Charges Read Here

The CAG Interest Tutorial Read Here

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

so they slapped a ticket on the car?

well you WAIT until they issue a NTK and that has to arrive 29-56 days after the date of the event.

 

In the meanwhile we need to see the signs at the ENTRANCE to the land from the public highway

(and the entrance anyway if there are no signs)

and the signs that are around the site

plus any blurb on the payment meter that is different to the exact wording of the other signs

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

now planning permission for the car park is separate for the PP for the cameras and signage and under contract law SIP can run a car park without the landlord having planning permission but they then run into trouble when they try and enforce  a contract like this one because they cant perform to contract.

 

Now in this case they dont need any permissions for running a car aprk, the landlord does but that means SIP cant offer a binding contract if you decide not to accept it and that means they cant sue and win.

 

The example usually given for performance of contract is that I can sell you London Bridge even though I dont own it, it is only when you pay me and ask for the deeds that i come unstuck

 

you can sue me for failing to keep to my end of the bargain and that can be for more than the money I took from you.

 

Why isnt this just plain old theft or fraud?

Well, on the stock exchange many people make money by buying and selling futures or short selling without ever owning the goods or shares they are using for the contract

 

. It all works well until someone is left with a dud or cant supply the actual goods or shares and they either lose a shed load of money or they have to find someone to sell them the stuff at any price.

 

 wait until they write to you and then we will compose a suitable letter telling them where to get off

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks dx100uk - response to relevant questions provided below. I will provide photos of signage at entrance and further photos of marked bays at same location in separate response.

 

For a windscreen ticket (Notice To Driver) please answer the following questions....  I received a Parking Charge Notice (SIP)

 

1 The date of infringement? 11/05/2019 @ 16:01

 

2 Have you yet appealed to the parking company yet? No

 

if you have then please post up whatever you sent and how you sent it and the date you sent it,

suitably redacted. [as a PDF- follow the upload guide  N/A

 

has there been a response? N/A

please post it up as well, suitably redacted. [as a PDF- follow the upload guide]

 

If you haven't appealed yet - ,.........

 

have you received a Notice To Keeper? (NTK) [must be received by you between 29-56 days] Not yet as only 12 days since alleged infringement

what date is on it

Did the NTK provide photographic evidence? N/A yet

 

3 Did the NTK mention Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) [Y/N? ]N/A yet

 

4 If you appealed after receiving the NTK,

did the parking company give you any information regarding the further appeals process? N/A yet

[it is well known that parking companies will reject any appeal whatever the circumstances]

 

5 Who is the parking company? Simple Intelligent Parking (SIP)

 

6. where exactly [Carpark name and town] did you park? Harding Street, Manchester

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

ericsbrother - thanks for response. Please see photos as requested + more

 

pix.pdf

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

pictures all rotated and merged to one multipage pdf


PLEASE DONT HIT QUOTE IF THE LAST POST IS THE ONE YOU ARE REPLYING TOO.

MAKES A THREAD TWICE AS LONG TO SCROLL THROUGH!

please do not post jpg images directly to a topic..USE PDF ....READ UPLOAD.

 

WE CAN'T GIVE ADVICE BY PM - IF YOU SEND ME A LINK TO YOUR THREAD - I WILL BE HAPPY TO OFFER HELP THERE

Single Premium PPI Q&A Read Here

Reclaim mis-sold PPI Read Here

Reclaim Bank Account, Loan & Credit Card Charges Read Here

The CAG Interest Tutorial Read Here

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

dx100uk

 

Not sure what you mean by:

"WE CAN'T GIVE ADVICE BY PM - IF YOU SEND ME A LINK TO YOUR THREAD - I WILL BE HAPPY TO OFFER HELP THERE"

 

If you tell me what you need me to do to meet this?  I can't send messages direct to you as new user. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Have you tried sending a private message [PM] to Andy? You should be able to PM site team.

 

HB


Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thnaks Honeybee13

 

When I right click over his profile and go to meaasge it has a pop up "Your account has not yet met the minimum content item count requirement to send personal messages. You are required to have at least 11 content items count before using this functionality". [help]

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

OK, thank you. I'll let the team know about the problem. Apologies for the problem.

 

Can you post what you want to ask Andy on your thread?

 

HB


Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks :-)

 

I think there may be crossed wires - my end. 

 

I thought he wanted me to send him a link to my thread.... which totally didn't make sense to me. 

But it looks like he puts a standard message on the footer of his messages to notify people not to start private message conversations

i.e "WE CAN'T GIVE ADVICE BY PM - IF YOU SEND ME A LINK TO YOUR THREAD - I WILL BE HAPPY TO OFFER HELP THERE"

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So would you like Andy to look in on your thread? I can let him know.

 

The team are aware of the PM problem for newbies, we'll try to fix it.

 

HB


Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I assumed he could already see my thread as he has been commenting/ responding to it. 😀

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes he can. Is this part of the conversation resolved now?

 

HB


Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

there is nothing for you to do now bar READ up on like topics here now BW

you need to await the NTK as already advised

andy doesn't need to do anything.

unless you still need anymore advice than above upon whats next.


PLEASE DONT HIT QUOTE IF THE LAST POST IS THE ONE YOU ARE REPLYING TOO.

MAKES A THREAD TWICE AS LONG TO SCROLL THROUGH!

please do not post jpg images directly to a topic..USE PDF ....READ UPLOAD.

 

WE CAN'T GIVE ADVICE BY PM - IF YOU SEND ME A LINK TO YOUR THREAD - I WILL BE HAPPY TO OFFER HELP THERE

Single Premium PPI Q&A Read Here

Reclaim mis-sold PPI Read Here

Reclaim Bank Account, Loan & Credit Card Charges Read Here

The CAG Interest Tutorial Read Here

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Anything below the

 

" +   Quote      Send Sticky note                                                                        ❤️"            line

 

is a permanent footer for that poster.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Now their signage is generic so it begs the question does this car park consist entirely of marked bays and if so how does one distinguish what are the defined markings?

 

Their signage offers nothing to help you determine even if the marked bays additional terms apply to this car park and you would have thought that they would want people to be aware of what they are being offered because if they arent it isnt a contractual obligation.

 

My view on this is that they are trying to chisel motorists for money as they dont earn enough from the acrual parking management and like all of these companies greed overrides their obligations in their activities.

 

Now this means they will be like a dog with a bone and wont want to let go so expect to fight this all of the way.

 

As you have an advantange of gathering some information before they send the NTK you are in a better position than many

 

when you do get the letter please show us it with your personal details redacted as they will have to show what evidence they have of this alleged breach in that NTK.

 

Some compnies refer youto a web site to view their evidence

- not good enough, the POFA says they have to show it in the letter.

 

Also the wording of the NTK has to contain key phrases to create a liability and often they get that wrong so keep sitting on your hands until they send the letter.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   1 Cagger


  • Have we helped you ...?


×
×
  • Create New...