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VCS PCN - No Stopping - Liverpool John Lennon Airport

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I have received the attached PCN from Vehicle Control Services at Liverpool John Lennon Airport and need advice on whether to pay or not.  I have read many posts and it would appear that the advice would be to not pay. I would like to ensure that this is the most up to date information.  Many thanks

Liverpool JLA PCN v2.pdf

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hi ya and welcome

 

can you please put all the dates and times back in the NTK 

we need those

 

and yes still the same advice

they cant over rule airport byelaws.

I notice these are operator pix too

so I bet the timing for the NTK is wrong as its NOT an ANPR capture

 

please complete this:

 

 


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1 Date of the infringement - 25/3/19

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] - 2/4/19

 

3 Date received - not recorded

 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] - No

 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? - Yes

 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] - No (should I do this - advice on line is conflicting)

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up - NA

 

7 Who is the parking company? - Vehicle Control Services Limited

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] - Liverpool John Lennon Airport, Liverpool, L24 1YD

 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. - Independent Appeals Service (IAS)

 

I need to appeal or pay by tomorrow to only pay £60 not £100.  I have no intention of paying so should I appeal?

 

Thank you for your help

 

Liverpool JLA PCN v3.pdf

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So I intend to send this tomorrow?

 

Dear VCS,

 

In reply to your letter sent on xx/xx/2019.

 

There has been no breach of any contractual agreement therefore I owe you nothing.

 

Regards

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unless that's what another thread suggests no

I thought those types of letter were only for when you get a letter of claim from a solicitor?

 

dx

 


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Thanks.  So you have saved me a letter.  As I do not intend to pay there is no value in writing at all!

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I would hold fire and let them waste their money on chasing you for a bit first. the yu can tell them that you know there was no breach of contract because a sign saying no stopping is prohibitive and not an offer of parking and thet they are well aware of this becasue they keep losing court claims for the same.

If you let them know this now they will ignore your letter and keep hassling you anyway

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On 15/04/2019 at 14:23, Baguettes54 said:

Thanks.  So you have saved me a letter.  As I do not intend to pay there is no value in writing at all!

 

I had the same issue with VCS at Liverpool Airport last year although I was the keeper, not the driver, of the car.

 

If you have a read of this post - https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/408248-vcs-pcn-liverpool-airport-no-stopping/#comments - you can read all the helpful advice I received.

 

If you go straight to comment #42 you can read the exact wording of the letter I sent to their lawyers (wording courtesy of EricsBrother if I remember right) after I received their Letter Before Action. 

 

Never heard a word from them after the letter apart from a couple of weird emails that were easily ignored.

 

Keep the faith...

 

Edited by _Ray_
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no change at JLA, the byelaws still trump their stupid signs and no stopping is still not a contract to park so lose lose for them.

They know this so may well eve go as far as issuing a court claim before they give up but only if you show you understand why their letter is a waste of ink.

You can sue tem for breach of the GDPR but again we would suggest that you leave that until after they have shot their bolt

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Just an update. I have now received a Demand for Payment which says that they may commence legal proceedings if I do not pay, increases the payment to £160 and puts my case in the hands of their Debt Management Team. It also references ParkingEye Limited v Beavis UKSC 67 in the Supreme Court.

Thanks for you input and support so far.

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Just file that one. Nothing to see here, move along please 🤣

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Beavis is of no consequence here it is a prohibition not a Contract, you haven't agreed to any Contract that allows them to charge you £100, £160, or even one penny.  As ericsbrother says the Byelaws hold precedence over anything VCS can do.


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MAY.

that is all you need to know

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I have now received a final demand telling me how disappointed they are that I have not paid up. Next step is County Court, they say.

 

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no letter of claim 1st.

 

cant see them going to court

they lost so many byelaw claims

 


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I have now received a letter from Debt Recovery Plus who have been asked to collect payment. My crime, they say, is 46) Stopping in a Zone where stopping is prohibited. If I do not pay by 31st July they will recommend to their client "that they take out court action against me".

They quote a case in November 2015 where the Supreme Court ruled that the parking charge was lawful. Details are on line at www.supremecourt.uk/cases/uksc-2015-0116.html.

This is a very unpleasant technique to extract money from people, like me, who have never had to deal with these kind of people before.

I guess the advice still stands not to pay or reply.

 

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I got an error message when I copied and pasted your link.

 

Are they talking about the Beavis case? PPCs like to quote it, but the case wasn't the same as cases we see here. Someone like EB will be able to tell you in more detail.

 

I would say ignoring DR+ is the way to go.

 

HB


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www.supremecourt.uk/cases/uksc-2015-0116.html does refer to the Beavis case. Thanks for your reply.

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its been a month

you should have been reading around.

 

cag is self help too.

 

beavis case has no meaning toward byelaw cases nor 99% of speculative invoices in general.

 

and as stated in post 31 its not a letter of claim from a solicitor which they must send if they are thinking of poss going to court and losing against you


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Hi Sojacob

I have followed the guidance from this group and not replied to any of their letters.

They continue to escalate their approach and

 

I am now being written to by a company called Debt Recovery Plus,

They have just sent me a Notice of intended court action, whatever that means?!

 

It then states that they will pass my file to their client recommending that they take court action against me.

 

All most confusing, but I am ignoring this one on the assumption that it is not a proper Letter Before Action or from a solicitor and that I am in the right.

Hope this helps.

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and what powers do a dca have?

 

dx

 


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I guess a lot of people, like me, do not know the powers that a dca have and the Agency is using that lack of knowledge as part of their scare tactics. Nice.

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no DCA has ANY legal powers on ANY debt.

they are not

BAILIFFS

 

 


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hi, i have received a similar letter form vcs can you update on what has happened? thanks

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