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VCS PCN - No Stopping - Liverpool John Lennon Airport

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I have received the attached PCN from Vehicle Control Services at Liverpool John Lennon Airport and need advice on whether to pay or not.  I have read many posts and it would appear that the advice would be to not pay. I would like to ensure that this is the most up to date information.  Many thanks

Liverpool JLA PCN v2.pdf

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hi ya and welcome

 

can you please put all the dates and times back in the NTK 

we need those

 

and yes still the same advice

they cant over rule airport byelaws.

I notice these are operator pix too

so I bet the timing for the NTK is wrong as its NOT an ANPR capture

 

please complete this:

 

 


PLEASE DONT HIT QUOTE IF THE LAST POST IS THE ONE YOU ARE REPLYING TOO.

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1 Date of the infringement - 25/3/19

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] - 2/4/19

 

3 Date received - not recorded

 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] - No

 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? - Yes

 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] - No (should I do this - advice on line is conflicting)

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up - NA

 

7 Who is the parking company? - Vehicle Control Services Limited

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] - Liverpool John Lennon Airport, Liverpool, L24 1YD

 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. - Independent Appeals Service (IAS)

 

I need to appeal or pay by tomorrow to only pay £60 not £100.  I have no intention of paying so should I appeal?

 

Thank you for your help

 

Liverpool JLA PCN v3.pdf

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PLEASE DONT HIT QUOTE IF THE LAST POST IS THE ONE YOU ARE REPLYING TOO.

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So I intend to send this tomorrow?

 

Dear VCS,

 

In reply to your letter sent on xx/xx/2019.

 

There has been no breach of any contractual agreement therefore I owe you nothing.

 

Regards

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unless that's what another thread suggests no

I thought those types of letter were only for when you get a letter of claim from a solicitor?

 

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Thanks.  So you have saved me a letter.  As I do not intend to pay there is no value in writing at all!

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I would hold fire and let them waste their money on chasing you for a bit first. the yu can tell them that you know there was no breach of contract because a sign saying no stopping is prohibitive and not an offer of parking and thet they are well aware of this becasue they keep losing court claims for the same.

If you let them know this now they will ignore your letter and keep hassling you anyway

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On 15/04/2019 at 14:23, Baguettes54 said:

Thanks.  So you have saved me a letter.  As I do not intend to pay there is no value in writing at all!

 

I had the same issue with VCS at Liverpool Airport last year although I was the keeper, not the driver, of the car.

 

If you have a read of this post - https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/408248-vcs-pcn-liverpool-airport-no-stopping/#comments - you can read all the helpful advice I received.

 

If you go straight to comment #42 you can read the exact wording of the letter I sent to their lawyers (wording courtesy of EricsBrother if I remember right) after I received their Letter Before Action

 

Never heard a word from them after the letter apart from a couple of weird emails that were easily ignored.

 

Keep the faith...

 

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no change at JLA, the byelaws still trump their stupid signs and no stopping is still not a contract to park so lose lose for them.

They know this so may well eve go as far as issuing a court claim before they give up but only if you show you understand why their letter is a waste of ink.

You can sue tem for breach of the GDPR but again we would suggest that you leave that until after they have shot their bolt

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Just an update. I have now received a Demand for Payment which says that they may commence legal proceedings if I do not pay, increases the payment to £160 and puts my case in the hands of their Debt Management Team. It also references ParkingEye Limited v Beavis UKSC 67 in the Supreme Court.

Thanks for you input and support so far.

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Just file that one. Nothing to see here, move along please 🤣

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Beavis is of no consequence here it is a prohibition not a Contract, you haven't agreed to any Contract that allows them to charge you £100, £160, or even one penny.  As ericsbrother says the Byelaws hold precedence over anything VCS can do.


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