Defending a UAE court claim and Court Jurisdiction.

[Versus]

worth a read https://gulfnews.com/business/banking/dealing-with-debt-and-loans-in-the-uae-first-hand-accounts-1.1541879400930

[dx100uk]

If you do decide to abscond, says Bukhari, beware:

1. International Debt collection agencies can chase you in your home country and can further track you down through other relevant international agencies.

2. You could get arrested in case you are travelling via UAE for another country.

 

 

the rest is a waste of reading at the very bottom is the only relevant bit......as above

[Versus]

Please allow those who are actually in this position to decide upon whether to read this or not.

 

Here you are again.... the fountain of Knowledge

 

But you have zero knowledge or experience in International Debt, particularly the UAE.

 

You also MISS the key passage... but hey.. each to their own.

 

(wen you have the time to take your head from the proverbial, perhaps you could spend a little bit of it reading about Public Policy).

 

You really are a Prize. 

 

 

 

[Versus]

QUESTION DX

 

For a UK Agent to collect UAE debts in the UK what must be in place?

Edited April 5, 2019 by Versus

[dx100uk]

nothing

they are powerless anyway as are all DCA's on any debt

they ZERO legal powers

they are NOT BAILIFFS.

even less so on non UK debts..

dx

 

[Versus]

You have been reading these boards for the past week or so right?

 

If so you will know that CWD are anything BUT powerless! They are NOT a DCA for starters.

 

To state that all people are protected under the UK insolvency laws would be the right statement. To state that they are powerless is utter garbage on recent evidence.

 

 

 

 

[Versus]

WRONG

 

UAE law is quite specific.

 

 

anyway.

 

 

[dx100uk]

but has no jurisdiction in this country.

 

[Versus]

1 minute ago, dx100uk said:

but has no jurisdiction in this country.

 

 

Where have you been?

 

 

[dx100uk]

Jurisdiction should not be left to individual judges to decide.

[Versus]

22 minutes ago, dx100uk said:

Jurisdiction should not be left to individual judges to decide.

 

 

Yawn.... yes we have read that and know that. Here is the specific quote: (I have shared before and you can google the origins): 

 

What the court was being asked to do had "all the hallmarks of legislation" and "is a matter for the legislature and not for judicial innovation". He continued to say that "The law relating to the enforcement of foreign judgements and the law relating to international insolvency are not areas of law which have in recent times been left to be developed by judge-made law."  

 

BUT

 

That IS WHAT IS HAPPENING 

 

Rightly or wrongly, and as matter that people cannot afford representation.

 

YOU are not telling people this yet you know it to be true.

 

People then take what you say as being good news............................... then they end up with £'000 of costs.

 

YOU are being irresponsible. 

 

That does NOT mean that Jurisdiction should ot be challenged that is a different matter. 

 

Further more in the majority of cases... NO FOREIGN JUDGEMENT HAS BEEN SOUGHT OR WON

 

If you wish to help, spend your time finding FACTUAL evidence and case law.... 

 

 

Edited April 5, 2019 by Versus

[dx100uk]

well its not what is happening is it...

its what is being tried on now by them..its not over nor decided by far.

 

please refrain from making personal insults..its not on..

 

there is no advice here from anyone on cag that has cost anyone any money regarding UAE debts.

 

your info behind the scenes by PM is useful and is being used to further things

but equally inboxes are being filled with people that doubt your motives

and pers insults when you appear neither to have a thread of your own with a CWD issue

and suddenly pop up on CAG attacking ..gives people doubt upon who's side you are really on.

 

 

 

[Versus]

Have it your way.

 

My 'info' behind the scenes was shared with said person with a caveat.

 

That is me out.

 

Good luck to all. 

[dx100uk]

we don't operate a strings attached policy here...

 

dx

 

[Versus]

Just now, dx100uk said:

we don't operate a strings attached policy here...

 

dx

 

 

Think you need to read own rules

 

your comments noted as would be any disclosures.

 

Anyway like i said. Good luck to all. 

 

 

[rgaine]

Hi Versus. What is your story then ?

[dx100uk]

[Versus]

47 minutes ago, rgaine said:

Hi Versus. What is your story then ?

 

My story as stated previously is that I am engaged in a prolonged battle with CWD much the same as all are that are here.

 

The fact i choose not to post personal documents is proven to be a wise decision, as is not spunking potential defence against action that is not already known.

 

I look for info, and share  the same when i find it and its factual. I don't make statements that are short on fact or truth.

 

Neither would i hide behind walls of 'dont make personal insults' like some kind o snowflake when there has been no insults other than challenges.

 

I am one of the many who is in front of these people in court, and not coming from a position whereby my advice or nonchalance has no personal cost.. No keyboard warrior but in deep.

 

Anyway, as i said, signing off now. If people choose not to read what is in front of them then there is no hope

 

Simple facts are that CWD are winning on Jurisdiction, rightly or wrongly. In my view wrongly but it is not good enough for others just to state they are not going to win.. they are... people need to be better prepared.

 

People come here for guidance and should be given the full facts, not some opinion of a keyboard warrior without any prior experience of international debt collection.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[dx100uk]

if their claim is properly defended people would not be 'losing' on jurisdiction...if they have???

 

If people dont post what the experts need or make them available off topic by pm etc...then thats their problem..so is only using cag selfishly for their own means ..but you cant blame people for that either....but if all topics on cag ended up that way..then there would be nothing here for anyone to read.....p'haps thats what cwd want..to use any method they can to suppress help...urm....

 

Until cag lose a case its not an opinion..neither is it being a keyboard warrior thank you

 

Yes that word you....in that post 8 times was it..please dont use pers insults i dont come here to help for that..

 

DX

 

 

 

[Versus]

There you go again...... if their claim is properly defended people would not be 'losing' on jurisdiction...if they have???

 

You are calling Hornsey and Squaddy LIARS now. 

 

They defended by following advice on THIS forum. As best they could as litigants in person.

 

I have not insulted anyone personal where you by the above statement have. If i chose to insult you it is very unlikely you would even know by my choice of words  

 

As for coming here to help people..... better you saved your time and went elsewhere as all you are doing is confusing and miss directing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[dx100uk]

versus,

would be better if you had your own topic but so be it.

lets pull some teeth. 

as your knowledge could well be useful...

 

so its in court now..what stage are you at?

what defence did you file?

how many times has this bounced in and out so far..?

 

you appear to have buffed them off to date as you haven't mentioned any judgement yet...

so you must be doing the right things.

those things could very well be useful in the 2 cases you mention above..

 

CAG hasn't 'lost' either hornsey commons thread. [WOW] or squaddyp's cases yet...

its defence filing time and the agreements will be the key..

i',m not sure if you've seen the hidden doc of the agreement that after your suggested it was not posted in the open forum.

but its pants...

could we send this to you and check its the same as yours regarding what it says about the CCA etc and jurisdiction matters?

that way atleast you can pass judgement ...

 

dx

 

 

 

[AndyOrch]

On 05/04/2019 at 21:41, Versus said:

Have it your way.

 

My 'info' behind the scenes was shared with said person with a caveat.

 

That is me out.

 

Good luck to all. 

 

And that caveat has been honoured.

 

Andy

[Versus]

What have you been served pleased... Exactly.

[Versus]

ditch that just reviewing them.

[Versus]

IMHO hard to see the relevance of an N244 BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT asking a court to set aside or vary a judgement, or suspend an enforcement process.

 

There has been no judgement against you as far as i see.