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you have already tried to resolve the issue have you not?

that's ADR/

 

dx

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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well no you've sent numerous letters and email 

and with the warranty people too

when the retailer should have refunded you straight away

there is no 'dispute' that needs ADR.

you have nothing to negotiate over.

you've tried for how many weeks

they've messed you around.

that is what ADR is.

 

don't fall for their stupid defence

its MENT to try and get them out of a loss 

that's what a defence is all about

and when there isn't really one..as it this case

the defendants tend to throw the kitchen sink at a claim to try and muddy the waters and put you off.

 

 

now their defence please?
 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi,

I currently have a Court case going on against Hartley Wintney Motors whereby I am trying to reject a car under the 30-day thing, as the car broke down 29 days after I purchased it.

 

I was notified by the Court that the Judge had ordered for it to be referred to the Motor Ombudsman for dispute resolution.

TMO advised that this could take up to 6 months as they are currently dealing with cases older than mine.

 

Yesterday, through the Money Claims portal, I had notification that HWM had made an offer.

I am trying to claim back £3,100. That's the cost of the car at £2,500 + the cost of a warranty.

 

So there offer is: 

"We can pay £2500 on 23 October.

You must deliver the vehicle with all keys, logbook by 23 September.

If you are not agreeable, business is closing soon, and any judgement awarded in the small claims court is also unenforceable.

You will then need to dispose the vehicle."

 

So, firstly, why should I have to return the car?

It doesn't go.

I would have to pay for a truck to get it back to them.

 

If the business is closing why do they want the car?

Why would I give them the car a whole month before they pay me?

They could scrap the car and there goes my evidence.

 

Is the business closing?

Their website still has over 60 cars for sale.

Are they just trying to force me to take their reduced offer?  

 

I have checked on Companies House and in June they filed a notice for compulsory strike off.

One week later the strike off action had been discontinued.

 

I've also contacted TMO to try and ascertain if this offer is in conjunction with them, as I haven't received any communication from them advising the same.

 

If my matter is still waiting to be dealt with by TMO, why would HWM just randomly make an offer, when from the beginning they have been adamant that I am in the wrong?

 

I would very much appreciate any thoughts from people.

 

Thank you. 

 

 

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old and new topics merged

please keep to one topic per issue else it makes a mockery of all that have advised to date.

 

I would suspect this latest twist is a ruse.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Hartley Wintney Motors - got them in small claims court - now a late 'offer'

This is another trick.

They offer you a settlement even though they're shutting down the limited company as i predicted.

You drop the car and they don't pay you.

In the mean time the car has been stripped and sold for parts, the limited company has folded and you are left dry.

Your only hope is to start a section 75 as suggested or try to convince companies house not to strike off the company which is near impossible. 

The fact they have 60 cars for sale means nothing. 

They can sell them to a new limited company for £1000 each and use the money to pay wages.

All in one day.

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Whilst king can sometimes be overly suspicious, I think they are "on the money" here.

 

Company being shut down, they want the car back Sep 23rd? Fine, provided you get 'cleared funds' on Sept 23rd.

You don't get the cleared funds? they don't get the car.

 

Whilst you have the car, even if they fold, at least you have SOMETHING.

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Thank you everyone for your comments.

 

I work for a solicitor so have taken advice this morning. I have contact HWM confirming that I am willing to accept their reduced offer, but that the vehicle will not be returned until such time as cleared funds are in my bank, following which, they need to come and pick the car up.

 

I have also received communication from Companies House advising that there is no longer any proposed strike off action as they have now bought their filing requirements up to date. So, I'm still not convinced they are closing.

 

So, the ball is now in their Court, so to speak :-)

 

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Hello. Update. I contacted HWM to say I would accept the reduced offer of £2,500 but that they had to come and pick the car up. I wasn't going to the extra expense. Also they wanted me to hand the car over a month before they paid me and I said absolutely not. They then emailed me on 3 October to say they are prepared to pay £2,500 within 30 days and collect the vehicle. Please email photos showing the vehicle from all angles and the odometer reading.

 

I responded and please stipulate the date you will making the payment, then once the funds have cleared I will let you know when the car can be picked. I will get the photos to you but as the two things are not synonymous, it shouldn't delay payment.

 

They have contacted me today and said "We will pay this amount in accordance with the CRA provisions, i.e. within 14 days from delivering the vehicle back to us. We refer you to the bill of sale where you agreed to transport the vehicle back to us. We will then carry out a cosmetic appraisal. Upon receipt of the funds, you can then discontinue your claim."

 

This last communication would be appear to be a total contradiction of their previous email saying they would come and pick it up! Also, why would I take it back and wait 14 days?

 

Any advice anyone?

 

Thank you.

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Hi All,

 

I bought a car from these guys in December.

Was told the service book hadn’t been stamped.

Would I like to go get it stamped my self or have him do it.

I asked him to do it.

 

Never heard anything from them.

Email no reply.

I’ve read enough in this chat to realise there’s something not quite right about this dealer ship, their cars and their history’s! 
 

my experience after reading this absolutely adds up to con business.

I’m guessing now I own the car there is little I can do about this.

The dealership doesn’t exist anymore!

By chance unless anyone actually had any success claiming etc of them?

 

they were clearly hiding under the business next door.

Conveniently “Hart Motors” Similar name.

 

The business does not show on goggle now.

I guess the crooks have packed up and reopened a business else where to con further people. 
 

my guess the whole fleet of cars were insurance right offs, cheaply repaired to be sold at “book” price as if the car was in amazing condition excellent history etc. Easy profit money for them so long as they can make the sale. 

 

any one still discussing this “outfit” ?

 

thanks

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My case was referred back to the Ombudsman via the Small Claims Court.

The Ombudsman are so busy they did nothing for 6 months, at least.

They notified me in November that they felt they needed to go back to HWM to get "their side of the story".

 

I emailed them couple of weeks ago to say there surely must be a time limit for them to give their reply otherwise they're just going to drag it out, like they said they would.

 

I had an email from them last week to say unfortunately they can no longer deal with the matter as the company has been suspended because they've failed to comply with their terms of service.

 

They suggest I seek alternative arrangements.

I can speak to CAB or go through the Court system.

 

So I have literally gone full circle.

If they had dealt with it at Court, last May, I could've maybe got my money back. 

 

According to Companies House the company status is still active.

Tempted to drive over there to see if they're still trading.

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Hi There, I have just visited the site. Hartley Whitney motors. They have packed up and are long done. No cars no sign of the business. I have photos for proof. I’m never going to find them now. Or can I?

 

thanks,

dave 

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It is that it? No email address or number? 
the mobile number of the guy who sold me the car is appearing in search for car business. Looks like these guys move around a bit?

 

i still have that mobile number, I might send a txt or call tomorrow. I really need my service manual. The car is ejecting blue smoke out the back, it was on previous MOTs and clearly not fixed. I actually love the car, just need my documentation and an honest answer about its “full service” so I can pay a trusted garage to fix and repair. Hopefully!

 

thanks

dexter

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Update,

 

I have tried to ring the number of guy I picked the car up from. I think his name was Adam. No reply but the number rings. The same number is registered to Ali the director of the company....

 

I guess I will never get service manual ;-(

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Adam was the idiot I dealt with. Absolute liar. 

 

I think HWM was part of another garage because I remember phoning them and asking to speak to Adam and they said he wasn't there at the moment and when I pushed him on saying, he's not there at the moment but he does work for you, he got very defensive and was asking who was calling and I just said it doesn't matter and hung up. I can't remember what they were called. I want to say Hook Motors or Hart Motors? Their website had exactly the same looking cars as what was on HWM's website. The likelihood is you're not going to get your service manual and I'm not going to get my mum's £2,500 back either. Don't know how they live with themselves.

 

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Well they don’t care do they. And we are stuck. It’s not mandatory to declare MOTs minor advisory’s I’ve read up. So the Training MOT service centre they used in London doesn’t sing confidence. I truly believe they don’t do much to there cars so you don’t know and then you stuck with it. Mine had a new battery he said. Prob taken from another car in the garage. 
 

I'm now thinking the actual mot they had done was dodgy. Not sure How to prove that if possible. Once I take my car to VW the truth will come out in full as to what is/may been wrong the car.

 

Spoke to a friend yesterday, he viewed a car in this garage. On test drive the EML came on straight away. They were like we fix all issue. Lucky he walked away and shopped else where. When I told him my situation he knew straight away something was wrong with this dealership.

 

there be in a cool off period now until they can set another garage up under a diff name. Companies house said he made 400k in sales 2019 

 

the MOT place next to HWM has nothing to do with them. It’s just looked good for them like MOT was happening next day and there. When it was done in London...

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Hi,

HWM is no longer located in Hartley Witney.

 

I have tried contacting them, email bounces back,  Account inActive.

 

Mobile number I have for the guy, rings accepts txt but no reply.

 

I need to contact the dealership.

What should I do, as I can’t seem to track them down on the internet?

 

any help much appreciated please!

They have the service manual for my car!

 

Thanks

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