2x 100mph in 90 mins by same camera

[Eddie84_09]

 

Hi i was entering a dual CARRIAGEWAY and seen a row of traffic travelling along the carriageway was.

 

So to get in front to pull on and not have to disrupt traffic flow, i put my foot down to enter CARRIAGEWAY first.

 

As soon as i entered CARRIAGEWAY i went under a bridge.

 

On the bridge was a speed camera van and it clocked me at 102mph.

I have a rs4 so it gets up to speed quickly. 

 

As soon as i was on CARRIAGEWAY and under bridge i slowed back down.

(I dont drive at that speed and to be honest was unaware i was at that speed)

i didn't see the camera as it was behind me. 

 

However on the way back home i was in right hand lane passing slower moving traffic when i realised i wasn't going to make my exit unless i sped up to pass..... this time i seen the camera van but it was too late. Got me at 107mph.

 

All this in 90 mins. I made the wrong choices i know this. But i don't drive like this usually.

I need my license for my job.

Any advise  please?

Thanks 

[Mr.P]

Start looking for a new job. I'm afraid you stand a very good chance of losing your driving licence.

[Eddie84_09]

I have no points. Genuinely a sensible driver. I was hoping this  and the fact i need license would be taken in to account.  Also im selling the car so it won't happen again!

[dx100uk]

sorry but twice at +100MPH doesn't sound like you are a sensible driver..habit..just got caught this time.

[Eddie84_09]

 

I was asking for advice not a remember fmy mistake . 

I used pwer to ger in front for seconds. 

I have no points. 

70mph limit and i pushed it to make my entrance and exit quicker .

Thats not as bad as people speeding on a 30/40mph single carriageway for no reason surely?

[honeybee13]

Hi.

Here's a link to the Magistrates' Guidelines that tells you how they treat speeding offences. Unless you have mitigating circumstances, I think they're going to take a tough approach.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/speeding-revised-2017/

You could try ringing a couple of local motoring lawyers and see what they think. They should talk to you initially without charging, to see if they think they can help. You can find specialists via the Law Society website.

http://solicitors.lawsociety.org.uk/

HB

[unclebulgaria67]

You may find this online guide useful.

https://www.traveline.info/

[Eddie84_09]

Thanks for the advice guys. I few seconds of pushing my luck and it could ruin my life! Ill look in to it. Thank you.

[Eddie84_09]

I was reaching out for my mistake not lecturing.

Its my fault.

But its not habit

i drive a van monday to friday.

And use 1 or 2 for a couple of hours at weekends.

Its the wifes car mainly.

Im 35 not 18.

Just a few seconds to save time not racing!

[Surfer01]

By the same token you should at all times be aware of your surroundings and taken into consideration that your turnoff was within the next mile or so unless you were "foot flat down" type of driver that liked to weave in and out and did not take surroundings into account. 

 

This is the way the magistrate may look at it and make it very difficult to for the magistrate to find any extenuating or mitigating circumstances.  This is probably going to be a very heavy fine and loss of driving licence.  Unfortunately it will also push up your car insurance premiums in years to come as the fact that you are selling the car will not count in your favour.

 

This will be a very hard one to fight even for a top class solicitor. 

[Eddie84_09]

Its a new  juction 1 month or so added so came up on me by surprise 

[dx100uk]

could be a mitigating fact then.?

also proof you hadn't been that way before ?

 

[ss002d6252]

When hearing two offences together they should look at totality - hitting you with 6 points on each would be a straight totting up ban for 12 pts so 6 months minimum ban unless good reason (exceptional hardship) can be shown not to implement it.  I'd expect for totality you'll probably get the Band C fine and a ban rather than a points & totting up but the bench/DJ has the final say.

 

Going 100+ to overtake so as to hit an exit is not going to give a good view to the bench/DJ over the standard of driving - even if it was just a one off.

Edited March 10, 2019 by ss002d6252

[Surfer01]

Two different offences on two different parts of the road so probably will be treated as such. 

 

A 100mph plus as far as I am aware is a ban however it happening twice may increase the length of the ban. 

 

Even if you do not get a ban and only get points you need to notify the insurance company straight away and you may find the premiums will jump up considerably unless you are very lucky.

[Man in the middle]

You face a steep uphill struggle with this.

 

The “totality” principle mentioned above applies if two offences are committed on the same occasion (for example, if you were caught speeding and with no insurance).  It will not be applicable in your case. The offences are individual and committed on separate occasions on a different stretch of road. Each of the offences attracts either a ban of up to 56 days or 6 points. If the court has in mind to ban you for each of the individual offences the bans will run concurrently, so you are unlikely to be banned for more than 56 days. If six points are the outcome for each then this puts you immediately on twelve and so liable to a six month ban for “totting up”.

 

So what can you do about this? If you receive twelve points you are entitled to argue that “exceptional hardship” (EH) will result for either you or others if you are banned. The hardship has to be “exceptional” and losing one’s job is not generally considered so (anybody needing to drive to earn a living will face such hardship). Does anybody else rely on you being able to drive and/or earn a living?  If you are banned (rather than receive points) for the individual offences you have no right to make such an argument.

 

In some respects points are a better option because you have the opportunity to make an EH argument. The downside is that if you are unsuccessful with that argument you face a longer ban than if you are simply banned for the individual offences.

 

You will also receive a fine of a week’s net income for each offence, a single “victim surcharge” of 10% of one of the fines (Min £30, Max £170) and £85 costs (all this assumes guilty pleas). The matters will almost certainly be dealt with initially by a “Single Justice” sitting alone, deciding the matter on papers and you will be notified of the hearing by means of a “Single Justice Procedure Notice”. They have six months from the date of the offences to begin this and in most areas they take all of that. You cannot attend that hearing but since a ban will be a strong consideration the SJ will almost certainly adjourn your matter for a hearing in the normal Magistrates’ Court and you will be asked to attend.

 

Make sure you complete and return the "request for driver's details" (also known as the "Section 172 notice") within the 28 days allowed. Failure to do so means you commit a separate offence for which the penalty is also six points.

Edited March 10, 2019 by Man in the middle

[Eddie84_09]

2 hours ago, Man in the middle said:

 

My wife works in Birmingham and has to leave early each day. I do the school run as no one else to help. We also have a baby that i take and fetch from child minder, if i have any work on. (Currently none). Otherwise i look after baby. We live in a village so school is not walking distance and no school bus and the same case for child minder. And as and when i get a job i travel to all different locations.  So its not like i can get a lift to a permanent place of work either! Never had any points and ive been driving since 2001. Just a bad day. I already take medication for depression and have counselling. This is seriously going to impact that! 

Thanks to all with advice.  I genuinely don't drive like an idiot. Just 1 really bad day. I hit them speeds for seconds, selfishly to make my entrance and exit. 

Thanks again guy's. 

[Eddie84_09]

 

Also as my business not been doing well i have literally just started a business Facebook page and agreed with a local bathroom store to start sending me enquiries....... then this happens. Typical!!

[honeybee13]

Hi Eddie.

 

I've removed a couple of quotes from your last two posts because it made the thread quite long to read. If you're replying to the most recent post, you just need to type in the box below it rather than hitting Quote.

 

HB

[Man in the middle]

Get your thoughts together, as you have outlined above, and prepare an EH argument. Concentrate on the effect on others (this usually carries more weight) and emphasise the lack of alternatives available. You can write it down and read it to the court or simply ask the Magistrates to read it to themselves (suggest you are not confident with public speaking). As I said, you have plenty of time as it is unlikely to reach court for a number of months.

 

One other thought - I don't know if you've replied to the Section 172 requests yet, but if not it's worth a punt to enclose them in the same envelope together with a begging letter asking them to consider treating them as a a single offence. You don't really have the grounds for them to do so, but worth a try and it will cost you nothing apart from a bit of time.

Edited March 10, 2019 by Man in the middle

[Eddie84_09]

Ok. Thanks for your time and advise. 

All the best to you.

[BankFodder]

keep us updated please

[Surfer01]

It may not be a good idea to mention to the judge that you are taking medication. 

Would you mind telling us exactly where the incident happened?

[Man in the middle]

9 hours ago, Surfer01 said:

It may not be a good idea to mention to the judge that you are taking medication. 

Definitely not.

[Eddie84_09]

6 hours ago, Man in the middle said:

Definitely not.

Its for depression dr says i can carry on with my daily life.

[Eddie84_09]

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