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    • god don't waste money on gyms nor court. please stop being conned by terms in a contract that is neither legally enforceable nor cast in any type of contract law stone.   quite the opposite..gyms have not done court since their miserable attempt to enforce them since 2012, when a judge ruled they were not entitled to any remaining contractual payments until end of contract.   dear sir  with regard to my membership number xxx of gym xxxx at (location)   i hereby demand you cancel my contract forthwith.   i shall not be entering into any further communications upon the matter by whatever method.   thank you for you time    
    • this was the last communication I've had from Packlink on 8/04/2021:   Dear, After completing the investigation with the carrier the shipment has been confirmed as lost. I am writing to let you know that the dossier has been transferred to the Claims department for the final evaluation. · PACKLINK ORDER: xxxxxx · SHIPPING LABEL: xxxxxxxxxx · CARRIER NAME: hermes_uk · CLAIM TYPE: Loss · CLAIM STATUS: Investigation complete/Transferred to claims department What happens now, when I will receive the compensation? The Claim Department will now analyse the documents and evidence provided and give you an answer as soon as possible. From this communication we aim to settle to your claim within 30 days. In Packlink we do everything we can to resolve all the claims with the insurance company and/or the carrier as quickly as possible. However, keep in mind we need to contact the carrier to verify the liability for the incident, and to report the outcome and/or respective liquidation of the case.     the last communication I had from from Hermes 7/04/2021: Reference: xxxx Parcel ID: xxxxxx Subject: Hermes email enquiry   You recently requested assistance through our online support pages. Below is a summary of your request and our response.   To access your question from our support site, click here     Response By E-mail (Angela Olroyd) (07/04/2021 11.17 AM) Dear $contacts.name.first $contacts.name.last,      Thank you for advising us that your Packlink parcel $incidents.c$parcel_id has not been received by G Hughes. I apologise for the delay in my response to you.     I am so sorry that you were not provided with the information that you require to make a claim.     I’m truly sorry this situation has occurred, and I want to support you by advising you of the speediest course of action to resolve it.      Please contact Packlink to submit a claim, letting them know your parcel was confirmed as lost in Hermes’ network. You can do this by clicking here https://support.packlink.com/Claims       I can assure you this is not the norm as we usually deliver over 1 million parcels successfully, every day.       If your recipients won’t be home to take delivery of your parcels in the future, they can choose a preferred neighbour or safe place to leave your parcel here https://new.myhermes.co.uk/track.html. That way, we can make sure it gets to them, even if they're not home.   If you need anything in the future, please contact your Hermes Customer Service Team and we’ll be happy to help.      Kind regards,       Angela / Ext 2346  Hermes Customer Services            Am I right to wait for Packlink to confirm the value for compensation before I send Hermes the Letter of claims? or should I go ahead and issue it right away now?     Thank you for the updated particulars of claim I have saved it in the money claims site ready to go on day 15 once letter of claims has been issued
    • Hi thanks dx.   I have amended and my updated version is below.   Defence   1. I the Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made.   2. It is admitted that I have had a supply and service agreement with Co-operative Energy in the past. During the period, Co-operative Energy actively blocked me from changing to a cheaper tariff or switching provider as there was an outstanding balance on the account.   3.Throughout this period Co-operative Energy only ever served estimated bills which were grossly over estimated with values unrelated to actual use. This is shown in the one copy of a bill (the final bill) that the claimant has been able to provide. There was and still remains an unresolved dispute with Co-operative Energy which was never resolved prior to the assignment of the alleged debt. Furthermore, the claimant has given no details as to the full breakdown of their claim and what dates it relates to, so I am unable to defend specifically until the claimant can particularise and quantify its pleadings.   4. Pursuant to OFGEM code of back billing rules the alleged charges are now over 12 months old and relate to charges which have not been billed correctly by Co-operative Energy and are therefore prevented from charging.   5. The claimant does not have access to the agreement nor was the Assignor required to retain a copy. Therefore their claim is unsubstantiated.   Pursuant to the civil procedure rules Practice Direction 16 (7.3) Where a claim is based upon a written agreement.   1) a copy of the contract or documents constituting the agreement,  the original(s) should be available at the hearing along with a complete breakdown of how the charges accrued by date and amount.   With the court’s permission the Claimant is put to strict proof to: -   a) show and disclose how the Defendant has entered into an agreement. b) show and disclose how the Claimant has reached the amount claimed. c) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim.   6. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5 (4) it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed.   7. It is therefore denied that the defendant is indebted to the claimant as alleged or at all.
    • Thank you I shall give this a go.  If I had the money I'd take it to court just to prove a point in what they are doing is completely wrong. It feels like I'm being held to ransome! 
    • then simply write (by royal mail 2nd class only - not ever email..get free proof of posting from any PO counter) and cancel your membership from todays date.   generally speaking with most gyms you should give 1 month notice before then cancelling your payment method to allow the one membership payment to be taken   however in your case, the 'free' period regarding payment covers that time so cancel your DD too.   Roko are much like David Lloyd gyms, they insist, as they elude too in their schedule in your 1st post, to it being 3mts notice, it is NOT       
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      Sorry for only updating you now, but after your guidance with submitting the claim it was pretty straight forward and I didn't want to unnecessarily waste your time. Especially with this guide you wrote here, so many thanks for that
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As a landlord I am continuously surprised at what tenants will allow them selves to be conned into, this tale hurts my sense of fair play to tenants and I hope you guys can help.

 

My friend is the 4th tenant T4, in a shared flat above a shop in south London (shop also owned by LL). It seems to be on individual contracts. The LL assigned my friend T4 with the responsibility of paying the metered supply water bill to the water company (lets call them WC as I am not sure who they are as yet).

 

She calls WC and they arrange 1/4ly DD of £300. Although they did not change the name on the bill it remains the name of the previous tenant even though now T4 is paying the DD and collecting the other shared contributions from the T1, T2, and T3

At some point it is discovered that the shop below, with a loo and a kitchen, are on the same meter, and that the WC has them on a commercial rate. T4 asked the WC to come and see what was up and they confirmed single meter, commercial rent, and that meter had not been read correctly since june2018 and they in fact owe 2K in back charges.

So T4 and her pals have been paying the water for the shop since June last year, the LL knew this but did not tell T4 or her buddies.

They have spoken to resolver who have said because the water comes in via the shop, then they must pay commercial rates - its about twice what a normal water bill should be - now I think resolver probably cannot think outside the box here...

 

Anyway what to do?

 

I am tempted to advise T4 to just stop paying and give the WC the LL name and address as the bill payer. I feel like LL has committed a fraud by a) not telling them they were paying for the shop, and b) not paying to have a 2nd supply added to the flat.

 

T4 is moving out at the end of April 19 and wants to try and resolve it so that she does not have to pay these ridiculous water charges.

WC seem ambivalent, (as you would expect, they are making the dough right now) LL said tough **** sort it out with shop below. T's 1-3 are spineless and my friend T4 is trying to sort it out.

 

Any advice?

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Inform the WC and let them sort it. It very much sounds like a dodgy landlord.

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On 31 March 2017 the commercial water supply market was opened up to allow businesses to choose their water company rather than be automatically supplied by whoever operates in that area.

 

Any premise with a commercial element like in this instance is classified as a business regardless of the supply being shared and all occupiers of the business and flat will share a joint and several liability to the charges.

 

The water company will likely not change the charge basis to for example an assessed charge as these only apply to households rather than a business.

 

Options as I see it, get the name(s) of the business owners and have them added to the bill so they then will enjoy joint and several liability also.

 

Secondly and likely unrealistic is the landlord pays for the internal supply to be split so each property get its own bills based on their usage however this of course costs the landlord hence it hardly ever happens.

 

Lastly get an agreement with the other occupiers about contributions to the bills which again may be easier said than done.

 

I suppose an action against the business directly may be possible to recover their portion using the same legislation the water companies use and which deems occupiers liable but how you’d work out their exact liability would be impossible so half and half perhaps..

 

This would be the Water Industry Act 1991 (s) 144 a and b.

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You say that the meter has apparently not been read properly since June of last year. Can you tell us more about that please

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