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Athena ANPR PCN - overstaying 1.5hrs at Lidl, Hayes

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Hi -

I was caught by an ANPR overstaying by an hour and a half at Lidl, Hayes.

I was a customer in the store that evening and have proof of payment of purchases that did take a long time (kids winter wear in the aisle of shame...) but did subsequently overstay beyond that.

Details are below.


Is it worth appealing to Lidl on this one or do I have to suck it up as it was such a substantial amount of time overstayed?


Thank you very much


1 Date of the infringement 29.11


2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 3.12

3 Date received ? 6.12


4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [y/n?] NO


5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? YES - ANPR


6 Have you appealed? {y/n?] post up your appeal] NO

Have you had a response? [Y/N?]


7 Who is the parking company? ATHENA


8. Where exactly Lidl, Hayes


For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. Letter says IPC

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scan up the NTK to ONE multipage PDF please

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we need to see the entire NTK ro see if is compliant with the POFA to create any liability for the supposed charge. If they get the wording wrong they cnat enforce the charge. Often they get other procedures wrong so dont create a keeper liability and that is the capacity they are contacting you

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That's not the whole NTK. Time and date etc are needed too, amongst others. Hide anything identifiable though.

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Ok, you can contact Lidl with your receipt in your hand and tell them that they either cancel this demand or you will be taking all of the goods back because you didnt agree to pay an extra £100 just to put them in the boot of your car.


You could also ask them for a returns label so you can use the post to send them back as you dont want to get another demand for £100 whilst you hang around the shop waiting for someone to process the refund.


Lay it on with a trowel

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