fake 16+ card - used +1yrs - Ran when stoped by inspector - now letter of intended prosecution

[wanderwall]

The court case is in March, yes they are after £300. I haven't returned the form yet just received it this morning.

 

Vplee just make your own thread, even if it's for your "friend". It's anonymous on here as you can tell from the previous posts I was panicking and not thinking straight and questioned my anonymity on the site as well. You're better off asking for help on your thread. Everyone's situation is different.

[dx100uk]

you sent a begging letter.

when was this the last time you approached them for an OOC settlement?

 

TBH £300 is not too bad , try and settle before the case

[wanderwall]

I sent them only the begging letter and I was just told that I had used it over 70 times and it wouldn't be in the public's interest not to go ahead with the prosecution. I'm either going to call them up or email them.

[honeybee13]

Hi WW.

 

Is it true that you used the card over 70 times? I agree with dx, best to negotiate.

 

I would try to ring rather than email if you can.

 

HB

[wanderwall]

Hi HB, I used the card to get to uni and back. I don't really go out much using the bus, if I do it's usually in friends/family members cars. So the card just showed my journeys back and forth from university, which is why it goes up to 70 journeys as the court summons letter had attached pages and pages of me taking the same bus and at the times at which I traveled.

[dx100uk]

IMHO that's a good result.

[honeybee13]

WW are you able to post up the court summons without your personal information please? It would help us to advise you.

 

Our upload guide could help you.

 

HB

[wanderwall]

I read through it again,

misread a lot of stuff in the morning and I didn't properly provide you both with the full information from the letters

 

like the fact that i'll have to pay back around £120 in bus fare that i owe on top of the fine they want to give me.

 

I'll try to get them uploaded tonight once I get home or by tomorrow morning.

 

I've noticed a lot of people on here recently like myself who have made the mistake of buying the 16+ oyster cards through social media.

 

I attached a screenshot of the sort of profiles that are selling these cards to give you an idea for any future posts.

P1.pdf

[dx100uk]

And if something looks to good to be true.....

[wanderwall]

I've attached the of court summons letters minus the extra pages with general court information.

court letter.pdf

[wanderwall]

They won't do out of court settlements, as soon as i literally spoke to the person they shut me down saying if this is about out of court settlements, it's not going to happen.

[honeybee13]

I'm sorry to hear that, WW.

 

How long is it until your court day? You can still keep trying to negotiate and you can even go to court and see the prosecutor on the day.

 

HB

[dx100uk]

we had 2 of those the other week

both I believe were settled on the day before going in but I've a feeling they were told not so say anything on public forums

awaiting conf of this from someone. behind the scenes

[wanderwall]

HB, my court date is the 6th of March. I still have some time, I may try my luck again and see if I can talk to someone different on the phone. Would I still be able to go and see the prosecutor before the court proceedings take place even if i've pleaded guilty by post?

 

I haven't pleaded by post but I'm sort of leaning towards it since I've never been to court before. I'm already scared as it is so I don't know how I'd be able to handle the pressure of it all.

[honeybee13]

Hi.

 

Old-Codja who advises here usually recommends to go to court and show remorse because the magistrates may be more lenient.

 

I believe you can still speak to the prosecutor on the day, maybe someone will confirm. You'll need to take cash with you to pay any fine and admin penalty.

 

There seems to have been an outbreak of these cards with people being conned and TfL seem to be taking a hard line because they're losing money and it costs more for people who pay their fares.

 

Still worth a try though.

 

HB

[dx100uk]

don't plead by post guilty

plead guilty and say you will attend 

 

as I said

I know of two recent cases both fake facebook ad cards that were settled on the day with the prosecutors before the hearing actually started

one was over 350 uses.

 

the other actually went before the magistrate, the defendant had already pleaded guilty and attended showing remorse, the prosecutor denied OOC at the venue

the defendant stated this to the magistrate, they suggested the prosecutor allowed it to happen..it did .no criminal record.

 

but each case hangs on the BACKGROUND of the person.

if they have no extenuating reasons for OOC, like job/money needed to support family etc .. then it wont happen.

 

from what i'm being led to believe , the OOC clampdown is solely targeting younger students/graduates that have solely done it to save them money by knowing buying fake cards to evade full fare yearly costs ...esp when there are other schemes and bursaries GIVEN to cut the costs of travel.but hey spend that on other things they cant account for

[honeybee13]

Hi.

 

I don't know if wanderwall will reply to this, but there's a similar thread with a reported outcome here.

 

HB

[wanderwall]

I didn't go to court, I just pleaded guilty by post which is stupid, I know. It's nearly been a week, I have still yet to receive the letter from the court as to what they decided.

 

Take the advice of the forum, plead guilty and attend the hearing to show remorse.

 

Once, I get the letter I'll give an update. 

[steph1092]

can take up 2 weeks for them to send you a letter, but please make sure to update us  I'm in the same boat as you!