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I am deeply ashamed to say that I have been caught cancelling items in waitrose value of 40£. I have been accompanied by the security to a room. No police involved. The took picture of me and my I address. I took my lesson but now I want to know what is the best reaction on this wrong doing except that I will always pay my bill. Thank you in advance for spending your time on my case

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you ignore RLP totally

 

just read a few threads here in the forum you've posted in

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

the biggest financial industry in the UK, DCA;s -  would collapse overnight.

 

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs - that's why they will never tell you they are not bailiffs and have absolutely zero legal powers on any debt.

 

 

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Thank you for your reply, I already read quite few threads.

I am thinking of just pay (if it is no sth more than 200 ) and live hassle free even though I see here similar cases to be encouraged not to give as because the goods were returned.

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DOnt pay anything! Theres no reason to at all. Just ignore them. If you pay, you are telling them what they are doing is OK, and others will suffer for it.

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Hmm sounds Ideal but how long they will annoy me with these letters.

Not sure what to do here.

 

Maybe some legal advice is good, but if it is going to be more than the fine what is the point?

Thank you for your reply.

 

I did not find anyone saying that

-I ignore that and now its all good...

But maybe the lack of continued threads is because people get away and don't care to post it

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fine ...where did you get that idea from??

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

the biggest financial industry in the UK, DCA;s -  would collapse overnight.

 

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs - that's why they will never tell you they are not bailiffs and have absolutely zero legal powers on any debt.

 

 

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From what I read here all people say ignore.

But I am wondering what happened next.

 

I know that RLP have no legal right against me.

However they can go to retailer and he can place charges.

But his cost was 0 so it doesn't make sense to do so.

This what I get.

 

The bad thing is that if you cannot ignore the case of waiting someone to or not to do sth against is you are struggling.

I guess this is the whole point of RLPs...

 

Thank you for watching this thread.

What do you think?

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you didn't answer the question...where have you got FINE from..

the police were not, and now cant, get involved.

 

and the retailer cant now retro take you to court.

 

IGNORE

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

the biggest financial industry in the UK, DCA;s -  would collapse overnight.

 

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs - that's why they will never tell you they are not bailiffs and have absolutely zero legal powers on any debt.

 

 

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Oh did not want to avoid the question.

I have a paper that says that I will have a fine based on goods, security staff involved, cctv costs etc.

 

no fine for now.

 

When and if I receive will post again here.

 

I will ignore!

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Thank you for providing info

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where on that paper? …[RLP Letter yet?] does it use the word FINE..go look for it....

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

the biggest financial industry in the UK, DCA;s -  would collapse overnight.

 

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs - that's why they will never tell you they are not bailiffs and have absolutely zero legal powers on any debt.

 

 

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These are the exact words. You are right the word fine is not there...

The paper says. This company is entitled to seek compensation from you through Civil Recovery to recover its losses being the cost of the disruption to its business in the investigation apprehension and administration costs caused as a direct result of your actions."

 

"This company will instruct Retail Loss Prevention Limited who will contact you and they will detail the amount that you need to pay and how the payment can be made. Failure to pay the amount due under our civil action may result in

A.Count Court proceedings being brought against you.

B. The value of the claim increasing significant ly to cover interest

C. You may have judgement against you which may affect your credit rating"

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1.2.3 wont ever happen

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

the biggest financial industry in the UK, DCA;s -  would collapse overnight.

 

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs - that's why they will never tell you they are not bailiffs and have absolutely zero legal powers on any debt.

 

 

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Hi and welcome to CAG.

 

You don't seem to be grasping the main point (in my opinion). While what you did was wrong and you got caught; the police were not involved so that should have been the end of it. There was no loss to Waitrose as they got the goods back.

 

There are certain circumstances where the store could make a claim against you. If a member of the store staff (NOT security staff) was diverted from their usual job, that time could be claimed for. This could mean that someone on the till has had to assist in apprehending a shoplifter. This very rarely happens.

 

Security staff are paid irrespective of whether they catch anyone or not. The time taken to process a shoplifter cannot be counted as being diverted from their usual task.

 

RLP can be a right pain with their letters as they include certain words that make people feel they have more power than they really have whereas if the letter was read again and again, certain things point the letters out to be misleading. A lot of 'May', 'Could', 'Recommend' are included but in a way they become 'Will'.

 

RLP can send up to six letters in the first instance then may pass the 'charge' on to a debt collector. When you realise that RLP have no power over you then a debt collector has even less.

 

It has been known that RLP will go quiet for a couple of years then all of a sudden start again but if you treat them with the contempt they deserve you will see that it is just a game.

 

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Have you considered that RLP might be exaggerating things to get you to pay them?

If they dotn make these threats no-one will pay up as they arent obliged to give RLP anything.

 

People feel guilty when they get caught and RLP feed upon this.

They have nothing to do with even the name of their company, Retail Loss Prevention.

How cany they by asking for money after an event miles away from their office?

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Yes this is true.

But my yhoughts are that ok I did sth bad and they have evidence, in the end no one lost any money

so my question is if there is sth to fear in the whole case.

Thanks for your comments.

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Why are you fearing anyone? Its over. Done with. Nothings going to happen apart from a shady company sending you letters.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

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Read all the other threads on here about them. Youll soon see why. You have absolutely nothing to be scared about.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

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Yes this is true. But my yhoughts are that ok I did sth bad and they have evidence, in the end noone lost any money so my question is if there is sth to fear in the whole case. Thanks for your comments.

 

You'll be OK as long as you don't steal again, I think.

 

HB

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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Whilst RLP are a 'legitimate' company, the practices they follow have no legal nor lawful basis. Under UK law, a retailer can only claim for actual losses and not to profit from any act so as they have suffered no loss, there cannot be any claim.

 

RLP circumvent this 'grey area' by making assumptions that what they are claiming is legal. Since the 2012 case, no court cases have been undertaken by any retailer. IF RLP were so sure of their standing, they would encourage more stores to sue. This does not happen.

 

You also are dealing with CIVIL law and not CRIMINAL law. Only criminal law can fine you and cause you to have a criminal record. Civil law can do nothing as mentioned above.

 

Stop beating yourself up, read what others have said and done then ignore RLP and any toothless debt collector. They can do nothing to you irrespective of what their letters 'may' claim.

If you are asked to deal with any matter via private message, PLEASE report it.

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If I ran a shop and you stole from me and I spent considerabel time and money recovering the stolen goods I can sue you to make good my losses that occurred as a result of those thefts.

RLP arent the shop, they have lost nothing and dont act on behalf of the shop, despite trying to convince you they do. Therefore, they have made no loss as a result iof your action andhave no "locus standi" ie right to make a claim. That is why they send out scary letters, they cnat do anything else. they sell a scheme to the shops by overstating their claim that forcing people to pay them money after the event changes the behaviour of shoplifters. It doesnt. Shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted is a saying that fits their methods. doesnt matter how expensive the lock on the stable is now the horse has gone, wont change the lack of horse situation.

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