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    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

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Head of the Thames is now more than 5 miles downstream as forecasters warn of further high temperatures to come

 

 

but don't worry Londoners - theres all that extra water pressing in from outside the barrier ....

 

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Criminal - they need to be prosecuted - yet they are calling for more compulsory water meters to protect their profits.

 

While the reality is more dividends and bonuses, reservoirs empty, rivers polluted and drying up, drinking water pressure and quality reduced, and feces  lierally being poured into the waterways.

ALL governments are a party to, and to blame for this.

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Ah, the hosepipe bans, calls for everybody to have to have a water meter and pay more, another heat warning straight after the last one, the driest July in almost a century (and another next year, and the year after, and the year after), some river at their lowest EVER (and most polluted since the 18th century) ..

are all just another normal day eh?

Not yet they aren't - but they very soon will be.

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Of course, that headline should be

'Met offive issues ANOTHER extreme heat warning

 

 

WWW.METOFFICE.GOV.UK

The Met Office has issued an Amber Extreme heat warning with temperatures expected to build through the week.

 

 

While the Br-Express has searched high and low dor a siye anyhow, anywhere to half? Quarter? implausible deniability excuse the following

 

WWW.EXPRESS.CO.UK

BRITS look set to brace for mid-August downpours just days after the Environment Agency warned parts of England could face droughts, a...

 

 

Only linked that for posterity

 

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On 28/07/2022 at 10:16, tobyjugg2 said:

The basics. Needs viewing to understand the truly scary stats and predictions (which aren't solid by any means and I sincerely hope are wrong and just blips) that are developing regarding the upcoming 2025 solar maximum.

 

 

 

 
 
SKEPTICALSCIENCE.COM

<p>In the last 35 years of global warming, the sun has shown a slight cooling trend. Sun and climate have been going in opposite directions.</p>

 

 

 

and those 'blips are now waaaay beyond anything we were expecting - and the divergence is growing ... dramatically

 

see these graphs previously linked, showing divergences as if our sun MAY be returning to higher output rather than exceptional lows - and the truly frightening consequences of that.The current heat waves would be mild in comparison.

 

 

Lets hope its 'just' and extended blip, or at worst

 

 

 

WWW.CNET.COM

The current 11-year solar cycle was supposed to reach a mellow peak of activity in coming years, but NASA now says the prediction may have...

 

 

 

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22 hours ago, tobyjugg2 said:

 

While the Br-Express has searched high and low

 

WWW.EXPRESS.CO.UK

BRITS look set to brace for mid-August downpours just days after the Environment Agency warned parts of England could face droughts, a...

 

 

Only linked that for posterity

 

 

Well that didnt take long

 

WWW.EXPRESS.CO.UK

HOSEPIPE bans may last all the way until October as no "meaningful rainfall" is predicted to fall as a "level three" heat wave sweeps the country.

 

 

What sort of clueless brainless numpties give any credence whatsoever to that rag as anything other than as a prime example of Brexit bull manure 'mental-ity

?

 

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LOL

Quite literally as displayed by the BrExpress

 

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Ah, you got the Farage quotes from a different source then ?

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and all that flood water that went to waste not that much more than 10 minutes ago ...

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Canals of Mars ...

 

We'll be seeing it all again shortly if the brief flash downpours hit Southern England

There wont be that much rain, but it wont take much given the hard packed dry earth, it will all just evaporate at first, then run off in brief flash floods.

Then almost immediately bone dry again.

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Here in the Eastern Mid-lands

 

Yesterday was 28 degrees in the shade in the afternoon

Day before that (sat) was mid 30's in shade

Today at 10AM its already 24/25 on the cooler shaded side of the house with a 'cooler morning breeze missing on prior days

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16 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

I know. I've never understood why flood water or excess rainwater can't be harvested in some way rather than just go down drains and out to sea or wherever.

 

Also, this week I found myself agreeing with George Eustice which could be a first, on why there isn't a national grid for water for regions with surplus water to send it to other regions with problems. I freely admit I don't know how it could be done, although I've seen the canal system mentioned in the past, but it has to be worth considering.

 

 

They are doing some work in the areas of piping water from wetter places to Tunbridge wells and surrounding ..

 

But consider that the vast majority of modern house building seems to be tiny slabbed over plots with no water absorption capabilities - hence massive runnoff build-ups in even small downpours.

 

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You'd think it would be more efficient to routs excess water from local rivers into local aquifers which are apparently under major strain

but I haven't investigated that at all

- but we'd just be filling them up with poo encrusted water from the water (protect our dividends) debt mountain companies wouldn't we

- - - mind you isnt that a bonus for farming use?

 

then again, if fracking gets gets the go ahead theres no point as they will be poisoned

... ah but fracking wont be allowed around Tunbridge Wells will it .. so ...

 

Lots of angles to thing about.

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Have to start referring to it as the middle eastern-lands

 

It has been almost as hot as a stint i spent in the middle east on a power project 25 years ago

Not quite as dry - yet, but the high 30's approached it, and the sheer harshness of the sun felt very similar

Dread to think what its like in the middle east now, I know in parts of Australia the situation has been dire, even for those familiar with what used to be called extremes.

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Dunno what you are all experiencing, but we've had a few hours of 'normal summer steady drizzle

,, exactly what is needed at this stage

Enough to dampen everything and soak in without flash floods

 

BUT

Keep an eye on this. There are two prediction models for Sols sunspot/output, and the older one was somewhat lacking

The new one (already linked) is predicting something very different and very dangerous to us, and the data so far is supporting the new prediction model.

 

WWW.SIDC.BE

World Data Center for the production, preservation and dissemination of the international sunspot number.

 

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see also (aka look from different angles)

 

WWW.CORNWALLLIVE.COM

The Place Group has won a tender to support Net Zero green projects to the tune of £70bn

 

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Its a simple fact that If we had moved quicker to a zero carbon renewable energy hydrogen economy

 

* We wouldn't be in this energy price mess

* We would have skills and industry exportable to the world

* We wouldn't be adding to the Worlds carbon problem

 

Its not surprising that Hydrocarbon gas prices that are 'fueling the war on net zero by the invested and their perhaps clueless cheerleaders.  

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Short term solutions?

Seems to me they are digging us into a very shallow WW1 type trench while the bombs fall

 

Heres a very apt metaphor:

We need to make the leap from a spoilt childhood feeding of the mothers oil and shitting in our own pants, into an adulthood where we create our own energy, pay our dues, clean the home and look after our mother.

 

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Dont need tourism .. or regulations ... like we don't need farming, or fishing,

... or foreign pickers ... because we don't need British farming

... or foreign lorry drivers or chlorine .. because we dont need regulations - there'll be no breach of health and safty regulations because we don't need those either

 

- ask johnson the ****** liar who keeps going abroad to foreign clean beaches ... at our expense

- but he'll probably just lie anyway

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Examples of the 'tory deregulation effects, and how the water companies shareholders and senior staff have benefited from gross mismanagement and literally pouring doodoo into our lives,

while paying shareholders 1 BILLION pounds in dividends in the last year alone.

 

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

Exclusive: Truss oversaw cut in funds to tackle water pollution, since when raw sewage discharge has risen

 

 

WWW.INDEPENDENT.CO.UK

Something has gone wrong in England’s biggest lake. Liam James talks to the campaigner hoping to fix it

 

 

WWW.DAILYMAIL.CO.UK

Environment Agency figures have revealed the amount of raw sewage discharged by water companies, showing they spent nine million hours...

 

 

WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM

Water firms were recently revealed to have sold off reservoirs that could have helped ease the drought in separate analysis.

 

 

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Worth noting that:

 

A previous 'hottest UK temperature' was in August 1911

Forget the heatwaves of the 50's and 70's, This wasn't broken until August 1990

We know that the new hottest ever recorded (day and night) Uk temps were set just a short while ago (2022)

 

 

I predict that this latest hottest UK day record, extreme as it is, will be broken inside 3 years, even given that the gulf stream is slowing reducing the heat energy to the UK , and we will likely be more effected than most by dumping of cold polar air due to the accelerating breakdown of the 'polar barrier' - and not forgetting that more energy in the UK system generally means more clouds and wind - generally averaging day and night temps ...

(I actually doubt the record will last to this time next year - and it may even get 'tested again this year)

 

 

(and no, the updated stats on the projected current solar cycle duration and energy output aren't available yet - and what is available is very mixed - its still 'officially projected to be another extremely low output solar cycle)

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seems the water companies are 'potentially' looking at maybe 10's of millions in fines for their DECADES of criminal (IMO) failures and abuses

.. barely a dent in the £Billion quid dividends and boss bonuses they have handed out from profiteering failure in the last year alone.

 

 

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If the senior staff were simply fined - the companies hence the taxpayer would pay

It needs immediate claw back of all senior staff share options into the public purse, and ALL bonuses cancelled/clawed back.

 

Then criminal proceedings including MAJOR fines for the companies, cancelling of all dividends and senior staff bonuses until the companies have addressed the issues - including debt and infrastructure

(share price should only suffer relatively temporarily and share holders would then also be driving improvements)

 

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A warning of things to come .. think about the effects of the major world river systems drying up, and before that entering a decade of flood/drought sequences

 

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

Nationwide alert issued with south-west especially badly hit, as major companies forced to suspend work

 

.. Canals of Mars ...

 

"The Yangtze River is the longest river in Asia and the third-largest river in the world, supplying drinking water to more than 400 million people in China"

 

 

EDITION.CNN.COM

The Yangtze had dried up in parts as swaths of China battle drought

 

 

WWW.BBC.COM

Low water levels mean riverside communities lose much of their income and their mode of transport.

 

 

A-Z-ANIMALS.COM

You may have heard about the drought in the southwest states but why has the Mississippi River Basin just had its worst drought in 1,200 years?

 

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Lets just recall what they promised/lied

 

 

 

The reality is that they could have done it in the EU - and didn't

They now want to poison the atmosphere the very air we breath and water we drink with their bonfire of rights and regulations

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