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    • The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule  4 . This is before I ask if Europarks have sent you a copy of the PCN they sent to Arval along with a copy of the hire agreement et. if they haven't done that either you are totally in the clear and have nothing to worry about and nothing to pay. The PCN they have sent you is supposed to be paid by you according to the Act within 21 days. The chucklebuts have stated 28 days which is the time that motorists have to pay. Such a basic and simple thing . The Act came out in 2012 and still they cannot get it right which is very good news for you. Sadly there is no point in telling them- they won't accept it because they lose their chance to make any money out of you. they are hoping that by writing to you demanding money plus sending in their  unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors that you might be so frightened as to pay them money so that you can sleep at night. Don't be surprised if some of their letters are done in coloured crayons-that's the sort of  level of people you will be dealing with. Makes great bedding for the rabbits though. Euro tend not to be that litigious but while you can safely ignore the debt collectors just keep an eye out for a possible Letter of Claim. They are pretty rare but musn't be ignored. Let us know so that you can send a suitably snotty letter to them showing that you are not afraid of them and are happy to go to Court as you like winning.  
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    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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NPM PCN claimform - overstay Un-adopted Rd entrance to old St Edmunds Hosp Northampton - *** Claim Struck Out+Costs***


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No permitted parking to control?

 

There is no parking or if you park £100 charge,

if motorist were aware of this,

which most are not because the signs are not clear,

especially after dark.

 

And i was mentioned about a 10 minute grace period and most shoppers do not stay more than 10 minutes and NPM take their photos as soon as the driver is out of sight (entered the store)!

 

Is it worth wasting more time making a complaint to the IPC about all the codes of conduct NPM have broken?

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so you've seen the signed contract?

a PPC cannot charge you for trespassing...

 

IPC are gladstones anyway...

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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NPM were supposed to have uploaded the "Landowner Authority" to the IAS for the appeal,

They stated they had done so, but had not done so.

 

I asked to see a copy of this even post the appeal being rejected and this was not supplied.

The Landowner in an email confirmed NPM had authority but this was just an email not a signed document.

 

Yes the IPC may be Gladstones, but they have a created a Code of Conduct and if a complaint is made against one of their members they should investigate this as per their set out process and if the operator is found guilty they should have penalty points issued against them.

 

If these are sufficient then they should no longer be able to obtain vehicle owner data from the DVLA.

No data, no business!!!

 

However, their complaints process is probably as corrupt as their IAS appeal process,

therefore it is unlikely that my complaint would be upheld,

but I would be interested to read their reasons why.

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So the developer can take action for trespass and NPM the car parking, providing they adhere to the IPC code of conduct, which they are not doing so in more ways than one!!!!

 

 

A private parking company controls parking in car parks etc. where parking is permitted and a list of conditions that drivers are required to comply with when parking is displayed, and claim that any driver who has not complied with those conditions is in breach of contract - and that is what they claim. As you have found out, they make up all sorts of other irrelevant and useless other reasons to try to justify their claims, irrespective of codes of conduct, appeal services etc.

 

 

A totally difference process to a landowner claiming for trespass where parking is prohibited.

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Tonight someone went on site to get photographic evidence of NPM taking photos of cars when it is dark and the signs on the building that drivers park alongside are in darkness. They hand hold a powerful floodlight in front and behind the cars and take their photos with flash. The IPC code of conduct states:

 

"If parking enforcement takes place outside of daylight hours you should ensure that signs are illuminated or there is sufficient other lighting. You will need to ensure all signs are readable during the hours of enforcement as they form the legal basis of any charge.

 

Be clearly legible and placed in such a position (or positions) such that a driver of a vehicle is able to see them clearly upon entering the site or parking a vehicle within the site".

 

The Parking attendant asked the person taking the photos to leave the site as it was private land and he threatened to expel him if he didn't do so.

Obviously at this point the NPM employee could have been told that he had no control over trespassers, but the person decided to just tell him that that he was breaking the IPC code of conduct by taking photos of cars to issue PCN's when the signs were not illuminated

His responded by asking to be reported!!!

 

Also the NPM parking attendant parked his car by the building which could be considered as another code of conduct rule broken.

The Tesco Manager has already complained about this underhand practice.

 

"14.1 You must not use predatory or misleading tactics to lure drivers into incurring parking charges.

Such instances will be viewed as a serious instance of non-compliance and will be dealt with under the sanctions system as defined in schedule 2 to the Code".

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did you get pitures of them doing this? You should have got in their faces and explained to them that you were using this in a documentary about them and would they like to be seen on the television.

 

 

Get on to Tescos's again about this, they will have to make a lot of friends or they will be picked on for every small bit of noise pollution etc their demolition and building workks creates. Also have a word with the Bats Protection people about the pipistrelles roosting there being disturbed by the idiotic behaviour of the parking goons..No-one cares about motorists but upset a bat and the full weight of ther law will fall upon them, even if you cant see the bat

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My friend did get right in their face, but dearn't take a photo of the guy as he was getting aggresive saying it was private land and he would expel him off the site, even when he moved to the front of the Tesco store.

 

He said the landowner was the Landlord of Tesco, so this was still private land!

My friend did get photos and they have been included in a petition that has been started.

 

I posted a link to it on this group but it was removed.

Only one photo was used.

Not very clear as it was dark, but you see enough.

 

The local paper have a full set of the photos

Tesco's have been made aware of this petition through a tweet, but have chosen to ignore this.

 

I think they are scared of upsetting their Landlord.

In the past the Manager of the store alluded to this situation.

 

Well true to form the next stage of the game has happened.

I have received a letter from a Solicitor

 

 

So what now?

Ignore this completely this time?

It has been said that this letter is from the debt collector ZZPS who have had permission to use the QDR Solicitors letterhead

Is there any truth in this?

 

The link to facebook was only one of the three posts that were removed.

There were two others.

 

One had some very useful data about NPM and the other was a link to the petition to NPM and the Landowner to improve the signs at this site and comply with the IPC Code of Conduct.

 

qdr.pdf

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they cant expel anyone from anywhere powerless nerds.

 

yes you ignore that letter.

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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My friend knew that from comment on here about trespassing, but when you are within inches of a big black guy do you continue to argue? At least he didn't take my friends camera away! He caught my friend when he was looking through the photos on thr corner of the street. He told my friend he was weird as he had been hanging around for 42 minutes. At first the NPM guy suspected my friend was there monitoring them so they drove round without stopping a few times. Hence why he was there so long!

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Response from Tesco:

 

I am very sorry that you and other customers have received parking charges for parking on the unadopted road entrance by St Edmunds Hospital. I can only imagine the inconvenience and upset caused by this. I have looked into this and unfortunately we do not have any jurisdiction over the car park or the company that hands out these parking charges as this is separately owned, we do not own the car park here. The only thing I can suggest is that you contact the company directly but I can see that you have already done this. I am very sorry but there is not much that I can do for you. It pains me to say as I could not imagine being in the situation you are in right now. I wish you all the best in your efforts and I sincerely hope that this doesn't continue. Thank you

 

I pointed out I was not referring to the car park, which is not controlled by NPM.

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I were near I would go back there and follow them around video everything they do

if they got leary i'd call the police.

 

unwelcome video appearing on your tube with the Tesco's name and location would very soon put an end to it through unwelcome publicity

as would newspaper exposure

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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the letter is a computer generated bit of bog roll, it mentions they are instructed by ZZPS, who are powerless DCA's and so cant instruct anyone.

 

 

You seem to have great faith in methods that experience shoyuld tell you dotn work like petitions and complaining to the IPC about their members behaviour. The parking co's ony join the IPC because they dont want to obey the rules of the BPA and they are not exactly onerous. The IPC tout for business by saying that they are cheaper and you dotn lose appeals to the unwashed public. That is certainly true because their appeals process is a kangaroo court as defined in the dictionary.

 

 

So, ask council or valuations Agency who the landowner is. Tesco will opnly be tenant or but the plot after the work has finished and the actual land ownership may well change 3 times during the planning and building process ( a nice earner for some) so dates of change of ownership is important.

 

 

 

Also look up the actual landlord at Companies House. Occasionally the landonwer is so in hock the lenders dont allow them to enter into contracts without their say so. That has won one court case (lack of authority to enter into a contract) and would be another reason for a judge to prefer your evidence over theirs should it come to it (they are never called out and out liars because then the judge would ahve to consider having them sent down for perjury and that is a messy business when it comes to companies)

 

 

All this still doesnt change the main thing that thee is no offer of a contract to park though so they are stuffed. What you are trying to do is make it impossible for them to even get that far and thej if they are daft enough to still want to then cost them a small fortune

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Yes I know complaining to the IPC is a waste of time. I foolishly used their corrupt IAS appeal process and despite flaws with the evidence given by NPM, which I highlighted to the Adjudicator, my appeal was rejected and the IPC would not accept my complaint of how this was handled because it would affect the independance of the Adjudicator (LOL). The purpose of the petition and contacting the press is to highlight what a rogue company NPM are and the more people who are aware that they are not following even the IPC Code of Conduct the better, then more like myself will refuse to pay.

 

I already know who the Landowner is and I have looked them up on companies house, to find out the name of the Director.

 

I have been trying hard to stop them wasting time and money with DCA's and Solicitors by asking them to instruct NPM to take me to court, but they don't seem to understand English, so now I am just going to ignore them until I receive a letter from the court. ZZPS stated that thier client belive they have strong case so why have they been wasting all this time. Don't they have to take you to court within a specific time period? What is amazing is that this has been going on for over 4 years as this media story confirms. Same issues of people not seeing the signs, signs being in darkness. How can they keep passing the IPC audits of this site? And yes I know all about how the IPC have won business from the BPA.

 

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/misleading-signs-have-led-to-hefty-fines-at-car-park-off-wellingborough-road-in-northampton-1-6277100

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That is one reason why you need to establish who owns the road. In that plan there appear to be three separate sites - the building including Tesco, the road and site behind Tesco and the old hospital site. They could each have a different owner.

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no problem as the planning people are usually busy but helpful. As said, you can also try the Valuations Agency as it is a commercial premises. You might want to dob NPN in for running a car park without paying rates for doing so. Convoluted law but sometimes the landowner gets a kick in the backside for this.

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no, hence dobbing them in to the VA.

the council will get some money as well but they dont decide on whether the land attracts business rates, the VA does.

 

Rare for a car park to be separate but I have forced the issue once in Selsdon where Lidl demolished a pub and used the land as a car park without telling anyone so both they and PE got clobbered.

 

PE subsequently wriggled out of it but Lidl then got a bigger bill anyway and this shows that in reality the parking co's are actually servants of the landowner and have no locus or agency to create contracts but that is ignored Just read the opening paras of POFA and you will see that.

 

big business has the clout and the law is to protect rich people from losing their money to poor people.

Been that way since the 1600's and the defeat of the Diggers and Levellers movements

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I now have the correct planning application number and confirmed that the Tesco's landlord is the the same company, who own the whole site.

 

Also seen the deeds to the land.

 

Read the attached with interest.

 

Have they broken their agreement for the planning consent by not painting double yellow lines before Tesco's etc moved in or because the road is un-adopted is that a get out for them?

 

planning.pdf

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