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TV license summons - not factual and no caution

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I have been summonsed by the TV license people.

TV licensing cancelled my DD when it bounced.

I hadn't noticed as I'm always broke so there's not much point checking bank app.

Being a quarterly bill as well made me forget about it.


They wrote to me and I phoned them and they said they would send me out a card to use at PayPoint to pay for a license.

I never received this card.

Next thing I get this guy at the door being all friendly like and asking about licence and TV usage.


I told him I play prerecorded stuff for the kids (which is true as I don't watch TV hardly at all).

He noticed I had a sky dish.


He told me about the weekly payment plan scheme and said he would sign me up for it and pulled out a temporary card and leaflet.

He placed this over his clipboard as he gave me the form to sign.

He said I would not have any further problems.


Once i was inside I looked at the form I signed and at the top it had a caution.

This was never mentioned and I wasn't aware of it.

He stated on the form that the interview commenced at 5.33pm and ended at 5.35pm

- yet it took a lot longer than that explaining the payment system to me and asking me other questions.

He has literally lied as well by just making up answers

- nothing major but nevertheless...


I used the simple payment plan to make payments but whenever i log into it it says I am up to date with payments and gives me next payment date.

Looking back I may have overlooked one or two but it's never flagged that up so I keep thinking I'm doing ok with it.


Then I get the intended prosecution in the post.

TV licensing want £120 plus a victim charge plus a fine when it goes to a magistrate.


I will have to plead guilty but surely he had a duty to read the caution to me

- as I would have just closed the door or something??


Any quick advice please. thanks

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he is commission based

gets nothing if he doesn't make you admit.


sadly you had no legal right at all to entertain him.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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If you signed it you've admitted guilt and they'll send it to court unless you can pay the amount owed.


Having a sky dish means nothing. You could have 10 outside. It doesn't mean any of them are hooked up to a box.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..



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Hi. Didn't know what I was signing though - I thought (was given the impression) it was a formality. I've been doing some reading and it seems these people are good at getting people to sign and not giving cautions etc. The caution would set off anyone's alarm bells which is probably why many of them don't actually issue it. Nasty pieces of work.


I will plead guilty, but will follow up my complaint against the person that mislead me.



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Thry give that impression because theyre commission based. Soon as you sign it, they get paid.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..



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If you want your day in court then say the "******* (dont) covered up the declaration for you to sign as you felt intimidated by there presence and it was only after you had your copy and read it after you calmed down you read it.

It might work, it might no. Speak to duty solicitor at the court

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