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the landlord isnt obliged to tell you anything but if you ask nicely and let them know that their agent is pursuing you when no money is due to them they may be helpful, esp if they have had a number of complaints.

 

Also ask the local council if there is panning consent for the cameras and signs.

 

Do this before you approach LL as you can remind them that they are equaslly responsible for this law breaking and that means people like you who are unfairly ticketed can sue them as well as the parking co for the breach of the data protection laws

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Thank you for that info.

 

I rang Torbay planning and spoke to their officer, briefly outlining the problem...

.i said i was searching on histirical planning apps for signage and camera authorities and could not find any and he looked and could not see any either.

 

He asked me to do a formal request by email and he would look into it further.

 

Seems a promising argument for my witness statement.

The Torbay Planning have emailed me back saying they will look into it so. .....

.we have to see...…

.but at least i have a copy of their email for my 'bundle'

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I have received, today, the bundle of papers from BW Leagal........a whole tree!

I see they sent it without me having the chance to address its content in my 'bundle' to the court.

We are in court on the 8th March.

 

I have read and re read all of the above advice and i have brought the handbook and researched the cases pointed out to me so thank you all for your help, input and advice.

 

I will let you know the outcome. Either way!

 

Just one thing to note.

 

The person representing BWL has enclosed in her bundle the whole and complete leasing agreement between the land owner and the PPS Ltd.......makes interesting reading.

Not that one word of it has any bearing on any area of this matter.

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well if you want and to help others in the future

scan it all up inc exhibits to ONE multipage PDF at some point before your date

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Mmm might need help with that lol im amazed i can keep getting back here, which i seem only able to do when one if you replies to me ! Plus what they have sent me is 80+ pages lol mostly the T&C and the contract between the Land Owner and PPS Ltd. Seems drazy to me as i read through that and none seems relevant to my situation. But i will look into seeing if I can get it all put on here....especially the result ....win or loose. Maybe my grandaughter will do it for me 😁

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Read upload carefully

It's all there

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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No ericsbrother this is the full contract dated June 2010 for a 10 year leese and covers every aspect of tenure. IT IS 58 PAGES LONG it covers every area you could think of....especially if PPL Ltd dont clear the rubbish.....its all in there. To be honest its a joke because the car park is all but derelict..

As im not too good with the technical side on here if there is a way you can private message me and give me your address i will send you a copy. Also a copy of their claim against me my reply and all the photos from 2015 to 17th Feb 2019 you can upliad onto here whatever you like.

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just scan it all i'll send a secure email and i'll redact it?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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When is your deadline to submit your witness statement? Is it the standard 14 days? Just concerned I haven't seen you mention that it's already been submitted.

.this court case is 8th March....i am told i can move the date fir a 100.00 fee

 

defendants WS was due last Friday.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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convicted of what?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Well case found in tbe claimants favour...

..same thing.....

.well theres not much gone my way in the last few months sob sob sob !

 

Tbh i really hope this is dismissed because there must be millions of people who forget the reg numbers,

their pin numbers, their passwords etc etc and really in this case all i have done is transpose 2 digits.

 

I found a goid video. ..

.not sure if you know of this but its from a man whk put a video on from a S Bedfordshire CC run car park called Ashton Square Dunstable and they use a barrier.

..ANPR

..you go to the machine but if you put the wrong number in it wont let you proceed to pay until you do.

 

It also gives you 10 mins either way if you did not want to stay.

 

Perfect so PPS Ltd have no reason not to have their APNR camera sync with their ticket machines..

..use all the millions from pcn,s to pay for it.

Will they...

..100% not

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but you've not had a letter from the court saying that its judgement to claimant by default as you failed to serve your WS.

 

you are a litigant in person LiP

you are allowed certainly leeway.

 

there is no harm in ringing the court and explaining your WS with be done is 48hrs or less

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Sorry folks but not made myself clear...

..i did submit on time..

....14 days before hearing.Friday 22nd...

...case on 8th march.

 

What i was saying was cannot understand why they have gone so far and going through with everything.....

..most of the advice on here is youve not seen a wrong reg number loose...

..so why are they carryjng on putting me through 4 years of harassment and now court ..

..cannot understand it!

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Ah, that's a relief!

 

They're still hoping you'll give up and pay. Lots of people are too frightened to turn up, scared by their overactive imaginations and bottle out on the day. They know that and rely on it as a numbers game. Stay strong - we're all rooting for you here x

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post your ws up please

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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