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Hi CAG.

 

I recently got a ticket for driving in a pedestrian zone at Barking

It's a disgustingly confusing section of road that the council seem to be making a lot of money from.

I am tempted just to pay the discounted rate but lately have been floored by PCN's.

On discussing it with collegues and other law abiding decent motorist I learned I'm not alone.

 

How on Earth did it come to this where the councils are acting so despicable..?

I want to appeal this one so I can help others fight back against this robbery.

 

I turned right at the corner in the image Barking1,

there is no sign not to turn right but by the time you have they've got you.

 

the second set of signs further in (Barking3) is confused by the arrows on top telling us we have priority over oncoming traffic.

I also find the pedestiran zone sign a confusing one by itself!

 

A circle with a car and motorbike in it.

If it had a red line through it it would comunicate its meaning in a second.

But they don's want that do they :evil:

Any help greatly appreciated.

 

R

Barking2.jpg

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BarkingPCN.pdf

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t11ep-no-motor-vehicles-sign-500x500.jpg

 

You mean this one? No motor vehicles?

 

It's been in the highway code for as long as I can remember.

Edited by borisbeaver
additional text

Frederickson - CCA Sent 11/4/07 - Lost - Claiming back from post office

Connaught Collections - CCA Sent 11/4/07 - No Agreement - returned to client

Lowell - CCA sent 11/4/07 - No agreement - returned to client

Moorcroft - CCA Sent 11/4/07 - No Agreement - returned to client

Red Castle - CCA Sent 11/4/07 - Copy returned but no T&C's

Robinson Way - CCA Sent 16/5/07

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That's the one. I've only been driving a few years so I'm not familiar with it. If it's in the Highway code I still think it's a poor sign at signifying that the area is for pedestrians.

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I know that junction well. Personally I think the 'No Vehicles' sign is clear - it has 'Pedestrian Zone' written above the red circle as well. It's prominently shown on both sides of the road in your photos. The reason there isn't a 'No Right Turn' sign is because right turns are not prohibited if you are a vehicle permitted to drive in the pedestrian zone. From memory that's buses and vehicles needing access to businesses in the pedestrian zone, shop deliveries etc.

 

 

Those who live there think the Pedestrian Zone is an excellent idea and would not agree with you that it's "despicable" of the council to enforce it. If you've been driving a few years I can't see that's a reason to say "...so I'm not familiar with ..[the No Vehicles sign]…". I've been driving a lot longer than that and sign has always been there in the Highway Code, and it's not uncommon on the streets either. The council couldn't put a line through it even if they wanted to. The design of the sign is decided by the Department for Transport and specified in law. I also remember that the Highway Code says most round red signs prohibit something, and most of them don't have a line through them.

 

Whether you've any grounds to appeal it I don't know. Others may have an idea.

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I just think their (the councils) approach is heavy handed, and others I have talked to are as disgusted as me. Other opinions always taken on board for consideration, though £800000 off the one area means I’m not the only one who has accidently driven there.

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I just think their (the councils) approach is heavy handed, and others I have talked to are as disgusted as me. Other opinions always taken on board for consideration, though £800000 off the one area means I’m not the only one who has accidently driven there.

 

 

I don't see why enforcing a prohibition on motor vehicles is 'heavy handed' but no doubt your perspective (as the person with the PCN) and mine (as the shopper not wanting to have to dodge cars in a Pedestrian Zone) are going to be different. I was curious the source of the £800,000 the council has charged in PCNs. Where did the number come from, and what period of time does that cover?

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I don't see why enforcing a prohibition on motor vehicles is 'heavy handed' but no doubt your perspective (as the person with the PCN) and mine (as the shopper not wanting to have to dodge cars in a Pedestrian Zone) are going to be different. I was curious the source of the £800,000 the council has charged in PCNs. Where did the number come from, and what period of time does that cover?

 

 

Well it’s heavy handed because £65 is lot of money to me. I’m not against pedestrian zones, I’m against so called honey traps which this has been described in some forums.

 

 

 

Some other people feel the same http://www.barkinganddagenhampost.co.uk/news/3-600-motorists-caught-out-in-barking-pedestrian-zone-1-4892354

 

 

 

The figure came from this http://www.pepipoo.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t66422.html

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I don't think someone posting on a discussion forum in 2012 that "...I read somewhere Barking made £800k on this spot..." qualifies as a reliable source of evidence. If you put in an FOI request they'd tell you, although personally I wouldn't bother as I can't see how it would help you much.

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I don't think someone posting on a discussion forum in 2012 that "...I read somewhere Barking made £800k on this spot..." qualifies as a reliable source of evidence. If you put in an FOI request they'd tell you, although personally I wouldn't bother as I can't see how it would help you much.

 

 

Oh dear. Well I did read somewhere and I'm sorry it doesn't pass your rigorous referencing requirements. They've probably made a lot more money by now.

Luckily the article was from 2017 http://www.barkinganddagenhampost.co.uk/news/3-600-motorists-caught-out-in-barking-pedestrian-zone-1-4892354

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Oh dear. Well I did read somewhere and I'm sorry it doesn't pass your rigorous referencing requirements. They've probably made a lot more money by now.

Luckily the article was from 2017 http://www.barkinganddagenhampost.co.uk/news/3-600-motorists-caught-out-in-barking-pedestrian-zone-1-4892354

 

 

Sorry I didn't realise the poster you were quoting from 2012 was you under a different name.

 

 

Good luck with your attempt to avoid paying the PCN. It doesn't matter how many PCNs the Council have issued, it won't help you get yours cancelled.

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Sorry I didn't realise the poster you were quoting from 2012 was you under a different name.

 

 

Good luck with your attempt to avoid paying the PCN. It doesn't matter how many PCNs the Council have issued, it won't help you get yours cancelled.

 

 

Thanks for your help. (Edited)

Edited by honeybee13

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You may not agree with the advice, Rhino, but personal attacks are not on.

 

HB


Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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Take it that all round signs with a red ring on the outside are prohibitive in nature. and all signs with a blue border are compulsory in nature and you wont go far wrong.

 

 

That's the one. I've only been driving a few years so I'm not familiar with it. If it's in the Highway code I still think it's a poor sign at signifying that the area is for pedestrians.

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