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Dear all,

I wonder if anyone could help me please.

 

I received a letter from Gladstones Solicitors for a parking charge that was apparently dished out last year (16/04/2017).

 

They recently sent a letter before claim but the letter was not even signed and did not include any evidence of their claim, this being the case I just ignored it thinking they were taking the mick.

 

I have now just received a Claim form from the County court business centre.

 

To be fair it looks like a document someone created on their PC and photocopied... again unsigned by a Kirsty Ann Jenkinson.

 

The form is addressed to the keeper of the vehicle who has never visited the site at any time in their entire life.

 

They are claiming that £248.69 is owed.

 

I think this is ridiculous and feel like I should report them to the Police for attempting to gain funds via deception.

 

Is anyone able to offer any assistance please??

 

I'm not sure what I should do and I do not want the keeper of the vehicle to be held liable for a charge that is blatantly undue.

 

As far as I am aware, no contract has been made because the keeper has never visited the place where they claim the parking charge was issued.

 

It says "The driver of the vehicle xxxx xxx incurred the parking charge for breaching the terms of parking on the land. The defendant was driving the vehicle and/or is the Keeper of the vehicle.

 

I'm not sure what to do...

 

I would appreciate any assistance that could be offered.

 

Thank you kindly in advance,

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Hi,

 

Thanks for the quick reply.

 

I will respond to this tomorrow from work as I have limited resources here currently.

 

 

Kind regards :)

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Without naming anyone. Whilst you say that the keeper has never been there, has the vehicle itself been there? Or could this be a case of someone/something at the PPC misreading a registration number?

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Ah great :)

 

Name of Claimant : UK CAR PARK MANAGEMENT LIMITED

 

Claimants Solicitors : Gladstones Solicitors Limited

 

Date of Issue 11 June 2018

 

Particulars of claim :

 

 

1.The driver of the vehicle registration XXXX XXX (the 'Vehicle') incurred the parking charge(s) on 16/07/2018 for breaching the terms of parking on the land at Reflections - Old Church road Romford Essex RM7 0BD

2.The defendant was driving the Vehicle and/or is the keeper of the vehicle.

 

3.AND THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS

£160 for Parking Charges / Damages and indemnity costs if applicable, together with the interest of £13.69 pursuant to s69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at 8% pa, continuing to Judgement at £0.04 per day.

 

The value of the claim is : Amount claimed £173.69

Court fee £25

Legal representative's cost £50

Total amount £248.69

 

I believe the claim has been issued by the Private parking company.

 

I have not received a Notice of Assignment.

 

Thank you kindly for your assistance!!

 

I would however note that the keeper of the vehicle has never in her whole life attended this address, they have not sent any evidence to show or support their claim and that this was apparently for something that occurred over a year a go and she has no recollection of this.

 

So I should now acknowledge service of the claim as instructed??

 

Kind regards,

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pop up on the MCOL website detailed on the claimform.

.

register as an individual

note the long gateway number given

then log in

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select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box.

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then using the details required from the claimform

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defend all

leave jurisdiction unticked.

click thru to the end

confirm and exit MCOL.

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get a CPR 31:14 request running to the solicitors

.https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?486334- CPR-31.14-Request-to-use-on-receipt-of-a-PPC-(-Private-Land-Parking-Court-Claim)

type your name ONLY

 

no need to sign anything

.

you DO NOT await the return of paperwork.

you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform.

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dx100uk thank you kindly for your assistance, you are a great Human being :)

 

The vehicle was there but the registered keeper was not?

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If they follow the protocols of the POFA they dont ahve to show that the keepr has done anything other than be respionsible for the car at the time. Now, the chances are they have got thier original paperwork wrong but as you dont ahve it we cant be certain.

 

 

So, yes acknowledge the claim and then you have another 3 weeks to submit a skeleton defence. That could include something about a lack of evidence of a cause for action but you should send Gladdys a CPR 31.14 request for documents now so you can include their lack of response in the defence. The template CPR 31.14 can be found in many threads, just tweak it to name you parking co and ask for their paperwork if it was never received.

 

 

I would however note that the keeper of the vehicle has never in her whole life attended this address, they have not sent any evidence to show or support their claim and that this was apparently for something that occurred over a year a go and she has no recollection of this.

 

So I should now acknowledge service of the claim as instructed??

 

Kind regards,

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Now, is the palce near to where you live as we are going to need some pictures of the car park entrance from the public highway, the siganeg at the entrance and the signage in the car park

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Hey guys,

 

I'm just writing out the letter to Gladstones and then I will be registering with MCOL.

 

I will let you know when it is done and see if you think it's ok!!

 

Cheers guys :)

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The place is relatively near, I could visit to take photo's etc but my only concern is they may have updated the notices by now??

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I'd be very surprised if anything at the site has changed. PPC's are notoriously slack when it comes to spending money, unless it's for harassing people for money.

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The Terrace, High Legh Park Golf Club, Warrington Road, High Legh, Knutsford WA16 6AA

 

16/06/2018

 

 

Dear Sir or Madam,

 

Re: UK CAR PARK MANAGEMENT LIMITED v MRS ********* Claim no: XXXXXXXXX

 

Is this correct??

 

Thanks again :)

 

 

There is clearly no sign upon entry into the estate!!

 

 

How are you supposed to know that there is a enforcement active?? Snidey so and so's

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It should be illegal, this is what I call obtaining funds via deception, I might go and lodge a complaint with the Police and ask them to be investigated for fraud

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It should be illegal, this is what I call obtaining funds via deception, I might go and lodge a complaint with the Police and ask them to be investigated for fraud

 

Alas, it probably won't get you anywhere as the system allows them to do it, in just the same way as you or I could do it. It's swings & roundabouts.

 

 

UKCPM have been spanked a few times in court and they've realised that it costs them an awful lot of money to lose a case. So if they take anyone in to an actual courtroom these days, they are 100% sure of themselves. Even then, they aren't guaranteed a win, UKCPM do tend to get things procedurally wrong, bless 'em. God loves a trier :lol:

 

 

It's much cheaper for them (£25 plus a bit of postage) to issue a claim and hope that it scares you to death and you break your neck falling over yourself trying to throw money at them.

 

If that doesn't work and they aren't absolutely positive that they're going to win (even if they don't), they tend to cut their losses and go on the hunt for the next sucker that will fall for it.

 

 

Replace UKPCM with the name of 99% of any other PPC. It's all the same... A numbers game.

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With contracts it all boils down to performance of contract.

You need to read about that and you will see the common example of me selling you London Bridge.

 

I can sell it to you even though I dont own it and if you agree to buy then I can sue you to get you to pay up.

It only goes wrong when you ask me for the deeds and I cant perform my part of the deal.

 

On the stock market most transactions are done without the person selling actually owning the shares, esp on things like futures and short selling.

They rely on taking a profit on a nominal number of shares and then but the ones necessary to fulfil any contract after the price has gne down thus making a profit on the deal without laying out money upfront.

 

Is it a licence to print money?

read up on Nelson Bunker Hunt and cornering the silver market.

 

No illegality involved as there is always an intent to honour the bargain.

that is what the parking co's will say,

they arent crooks because they believe they are right and are just incompetent and thick m'lud

Edited by dx100uk
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Hi guys, just to let you know that I've sent off that letter via recorded delivery and am waiting a response. I will let you know in due course :)

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