Very old LLoyds Business bank loan 1991

[swinterton]

Hi guys, need some advice on where and what to do next on my fathers ppi claim.

 

The claim relates to a TSB 40,000 pound business loan my father started in approx 1991.

 

We have the account no from old 1994/95 bank statements showing he was paying about 500/600 per month for the loan.

 

At first Lloyd’s stated that they could not locate the loan, then they said they located the loan account but no proof/record of ppi

 

So I did a SAR, (copied off this site)they have just sent back the cheques stating they do not keep records this long and they can find nothing.

 

Is the standard of proof on me to prove the existence of PPI or is it for them to prove there was not.

 

What’s my next step please.....Thanks in advance for any help and advice

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[dx100uk]

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?486054-Lloyds-Breach-of-SAR

might help...

[BankFodder]

For how long did the loan run?

Please can you post up the letter which says that they can't find ppi

[swinterton]

Thanks guys really appreciate you taking the time to reply and supply info

The loan was over 10 but was settled in full early after 8 years.

I will arrange over the the next day or two to get a copy of the letter uploaded.

Thanks again bankfodder’, Dx.

[BankFodder]

Yes please.

It could be important

[swinterton]

..

Lloyds ppi search swinterton (1)_Redacted.pdf

[BankFodder]

Thank you.

 

I was hoping it would be a slightly different letter. Lloyds have been sending letters out claiming that they have investigated all of their historical and archival records and found nothing. These letters have always been untrue and in fact they were criticised by the FCA for sending them out and warned not to send them. However they have continued sending them.

 

Well they are asking you for further information and they are also suggesting you can go to the ombudsman.

 

Are you going to send them the further information that they want?

[swinterton]

Hi bankfodder, thanks again I have a couple more letters that hopefully you can see,

although I’m not good at this type of thing,

 

we did respond to first letter and supplied bank statements and account numbers business names.

 

Please let me know if the other letters do not appear for you to look at.

docs1.pdf

[dx100uk]

can you pop your images upload into one pdf please and attach so we can then read them and zoom

read upload

 

ive done the pdf for you in post 8

please read the PM I've sent

[BankFodder]

First of all, I'm not convinced that any of these banks don't have records earlier then for instance, 2001. We know that the NatWest and the RBS have archives going back at least until 1994. About 10 years ago I met and interviewed a woman who was an archivist for Abbey National then Abbey eventually Santander. She told me that they keep all their records going back to 1933. She said that they were paper records and then in the 1960s they move to microfiche and then eventually to electronic records. Apparently they have/had an archive centre in Leighton Buzzard. I don't know if it still exists.

 

However, there must be lots of clients with important business going back well before 2001 and I know that Lloyds are habitual liars. I know of at least three SAR breaches that they have committed and also lies from them about the nonexistence of PPI accompanied by misleading letters claiming to have searched for their archives. They were even criticised for this by the FCA in 2015 – but yet they continued to do this. I have a copy of an identical letter criticised by the FCA which was sent to me in 2017.

 

Of course I could be wrong – maybe they really have destroyed everything – but I doubt it.

 

One comment which stands out for me in their letter of 23 March which you have posted is that they refer uniquely to their electronic records and they are essentially saying that as the information you are looking for predates the electronic records, they haven't been able to carry out a proper search – or maybe no search at all.

 

They talk in terms of a general duty to delete information – but they don't specifically say that your information has been deleted.

 

What one really needs is a way to discover if they maintain a microfiche archive or a paper archive somewhere. I would expect that records at least from 1970 onwards to 2001 would have been kept on microfiche.

 

I don't trust Lloyds bank – and I think anyone who does is a fool. Lloyds routinely break the law in terms of data breaches, mis-selling of products, the use of deceptive/misleading letters. Why is it they are suddenly so squeakyclean now?

[swinterton]

Thanks again you guys for helping me out and your lengthy response bankfodder, i hear and agree what you are saying, but where does that leave me now, have i got a next step.... what do you suggest?

[StJane]

To me it sounds as though data before August 2001 is not stored in a "relevant filing system" (a definition from the DPA) and therefore is not easily searchable. As such they require more context and information in order to locate such data.

 

Thanks again you guys for helping me out and your lengthy response bankfodder, i hear and agree what you are saying, but where does that leave me now, have i got a next step.... what do you suggest?

 

One of the letters suggests that the business was a partnership. Does the other partner have any records? Or information that would help Lloyds with tracing?

 

Also, it looks as though you sent the SAR to their Andover address. You may wish to try the equivalent team within their Commercial Banking arm:

Commercial Banking DSAR Team

Lloyds Banking Group

1st Floor East

Tower House

Charterhall Drive

Chester

CH88 3AN

[BankFodder]

This is an extremely interesting point and a very good suggestion indeed.

 

Also, thank you very much indeed for this new DSAR address. This is the kind of thing that generally speaking Lloyds tends not to publicise very much.

 

Under the new GDPR regime, they would be obliged to cascade the request to all of the departments and entities within the group. Under the present SAR system, if you don't target your SAR correctly then Lloyds/data controller would be legally justified in not responding with a full disclosure.

 

As I have said previously, they are thoroughly dishonest – but of course so are the rest of them.

 

Swinterton, I think you should take out the suggestion of sending an SAR specifically to the commercial DSAR team and see what that produces. However, send it on 25th May.

 

Also, I think that your SAR should specifically ask them to identify any sources or archives which they have not searched because they feel that it could be disproportionate. Ask them also whether there are any paper or microfiche archives in existence which may contain your data but which they have not searched.

 

What a nuisance one has to try and be so canny all the time with these people.

[swinterton]

Thank you St Jane for chipping in, that sounds like a good plan. Yes, it was a joint venture/business but i have provided them with all names DOB and addresses going back 30 years for the both of them, i don't think there is anything else i could provide....nat ins numbers maybe, i could try that.

 

Bankfodder - i will do as you suggested, i am going to type up a new SAR with the alterations and specific questions tonight then get it to my mother and father to sign and in the post for tomorrow.

i will keep you guys posted with any updates, and once again thank you for taking the time to respond

[swinterton]

Hi st Jane and bank fodder, it’s taken a while but I have got another reply ref old ppi/accounts with tsb’ still no good it would seem as they do not keep records any longer than 10 years . Any advice would be appreciated

Thanks guys

[dx100uk]

read upload please

one multipage PDF only please

 

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