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    • I have received a PCN from Euro Car Parks for MFG - Esso Cobham - Gravesend. I was completely unaware that there was any such limit for parking and always considered this to be a service station. I stopped there to use the toilet, have a coffee and made a couple of work calls. I have read the previous topics on this location which suggest I can ignore this and ECP will not take legal action. The one possible complication is that the vehicle is leased by my employer so I do not want to involve them with the associated reminders and threatening letters. The PCN was first issued to the leasing company Arval who have notified ECP of the hiring company. I have attached a copy of the PCN Notice to Hirer with details removed as per instructions. What options do I have or should I just pay the PCN promptly at the reduced rate of £60? img20240424_23142631.pdf
    • What you have uploaded is a letter with daft empty threats from third-party paper tigers.  Just ignore it. What we need to see is the original invoice you received last October or November.
    • Thanks for posting the CPR contents. i do wish you hadn't blanked out the dates and times since at times they can be relevant . Can you please repost including times and dates. They say that they sent a copy of  the original  PCN that they sent to the Hirer  along with your hire agreement documents. Did you receive them and if so can you please upload the original PCN without erasing dates and times. If they did include  all the paperwork they said, then that PCN is pretty near compliant except for their error with the discount time. In the Act it isn't actually specified but to offer a discount for 14 days from the OFFENCE is a joke. the offence occurred probably a couple of months prior to you receiving your Notice to Hirer.  Also the words in parentheses n the Act have been missed off. Section 14 [5][c] (c)warn the hirer that if, after the period of 21 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice to hirer is given, the amount of unpaid parking charges referred to in the notice to keeper under paragraph 8(2)(f) or 9(2)(f) (as the case may be) has not been paid in full, the creditor will (if any applicable requirements are met) have the right to recover from the hirer so much of that amount as remains unpaid; Though it states "if any applicable ...." as opposed to "if all applicable......" in Section 8 or 9. Maybe the Site could explain what the difference between the two terms mean if there is a difference. Also on your claim form they keeper referring to you as the driver or the keeper.  You are the Hirer and only the Hirer is responsible for the charge EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T THE DRIVER. So they cannot pursue the driver and nowhere in the Hirer section of the Act is the hirer ever named as the keeper so NPC are pursuing the wrong person.  
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The claimant isnt planning to attend court due to a hospital admission but plans to send his wife asa representatives. I’ve tried over the last few months to convince them to not go to court as I can see clear problems in their case but they feel as they own the property they are justified in their actions

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In small claims track, a third party (such as a wife or other family member) only has the right to represent a party if the party is physically present in court. If a party is in hospital, his wife has no legal standing to represent him.

 

The rules are pretty clear on that - you can only be represented by a solicitor or barrister if not present.

 

Though to be fair it is very possible - probable in fact - that the judge would just let it slide and hear out the wife despite what the rules say, rather than go through the bother of rescheduling the hearing.

 

To me it sounds like yet another reason why the landlord should try reach a settlement in advance of the hearing.

 

Yes the tenant is liable for damage to the property, if the landlord can prove that the tenant damaged the property (e.g. by a check-in inventory compared to a check-out inventory). But I think the landlord also has to accept he did not protect the deposit and there will likely be a penalty for that.

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Hi all just an update. Second hearing of this case due tomorrow. In the first the claimant was ordered to provide number of things prior to this hearing. All have been provided bar a copy of the tenancy agreement. The hearing was initially schedular for a 3 hour slot, however today all parties have received an email stating that upon reading the statements and that the claimant had not provided as ordered a copy of the tenancy agreement, the hearing will now be a directions hearing with a time estimate of 1 hour.

 

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As a layman am I right in thinking that the judge is likely to dismiss the case due to the claimant not providing the evidence ordered?

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Further update

Hearing lasted 10 mins, no case to answer on damages claim as no tenancy agreement provided so judge unable to rule on breech of tenancy without a contract.

Judge refered to the claimants as bad landlords and directed the tenants to sue for loss of furniture, claim for the deposit not being protected plus compensation And to pursue the landlord for illegal eviction. The judge warned the landlords to expect the costs to them to run into tens of thousanss

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Yes, thanks very much indeed for the update.

 

It sounds like the landlord was lucky to get off lightly on this occasion.

 

The landlord would be well advised to heed the judge's warning, and to offer a settlement to the tenants to settle their other claims. Otherwise it sounds like the landlord risks new claims being brought against him which as the judge said could cost the landlord tens of thousands.

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