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A couple of points from me.

 

If there's a name on the letter you've been sent, I would use that rather than Dear Sir or Madam. Don't tell us the name, but you need to put Dear Mr/Mrs/Ms on your letter.

 

In the first paragraph, line two, what do you mean about the unexpected payments please?

 

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It's hard to say what they might decide and I'm not a rail person, but plenty of people here have put the effort into writing a letter and later speaking to TfL and come out of it settling before court. Keep going, you're doing well. :)

 

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99.9% they'll do an out of court settlement.

 

I agree about the oyster card bit I would not put you deliberately used your brothers card, neither p'haps the you had unexpected bills either as the shows wilful intent to deliberately defraud them..dont shoot yourself in the foot!

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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This was what i was confused about earlier which is why it took me a while to get started on an apology letter

 

How else do i explain everything then?..

.The ticket inspector suspected that i had a child oyster as he heard it when i tapped in as it makes a different sound.

He included it in his notes and also wouldnt it be easy to gain proof by using cctv.

 

I don't wanna be more dishonest then i already have been which may just give them more reason to prosecute.

Others have suggested to be more vague about it but how do i explain tapping in and getting past the barriers then as well as the inspectors suspicion..

.what would you do and how would you explain everything then?

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you would not be more dishonest if you simply did not confirm nor deny what they suspect.

you certainly don't state I had my brothers card and I purposefully took it that morning and used it because I had no money.

they wont use CCTV no too much like hard work..

 

keep thinking you are getting there ok

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Ok thanks for the advice, i will update the letter and post it up before sending off today...also do i just send a covering letter with the letter they sent me asking for my version of events or shall i send a seperate letter entirely

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as long as you use the same ref no , one letter only

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Dear sir/madam

I wish to offer my sincere and unreserved apology for travelling without a valid train ticket on... I did not have a valid ticket due to recent financial difficulties and I was due to be paid from my part time job the following day after this incident occurred. I had to travel that day as I had an exam to sit which is why I made the mistake of not purchasing a valid ticket for my journey. I had previously missed many days of college simply because I did not have enough money to cover the fare.

 

I made a very bad choice which has haunted me since. Desperation can sometimes lead you to make decisions which are completely out of character and ultimately wrong. I usually always purchase a valid ticket when travelling and I have never done anything like this before. I was in a difficult situation financially but I did wrong which I hold my hands up to and I wholeheartedly regret. I have certainly learnt from this experience and would never think of doing anything like this again.

 

As a hopeful young student with dreams of getting into dental school, a criminal record would be devastating and would end any hopes of this becoming a reality. I hope that you will take into consideration that this is my first offence and I have never previously been on the wrong side of the law.

 

I wish to offer any monetary sums equivalent to any related fines and administrative fees you have incurred to avoid going to court as a potential criminal record would have a disproportionate effect on future career and employment hopes.

I sincerely apologize for my actions and for the inconvenience caused to all those involved.

 

Yours sincerely....

 

Is this any better?

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Hello again.

 

Your last sentence, it's apologise in British English. I still think you should address the letter to the person who wrote to you rather than Dear Sir/Madam. Apart from that, I think it reads well.

 

HB

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Thankyou honeybee 🙂

 

The letter has been posted. Im not confident about my chances but i can only hope for the best i suppose. I certainly have learnt my lesson thats for sure! I will keep you updated as to what happens next. Thankyou all for your help and input thus far 🙂

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Don't give up just yet. Once they have your letter, there's still the option of ringing the person dealing with your case to ask about settling. some people have even settled on the day of the court case by speaking to the prosecutor.

 

Have you read threads where other caggers managed to agree settlements?

 

HB

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Hi guys, Just a quick update...i received a letter today saying the following:

 

Thankyou for responding to out enquiry letter. Your comments will be taken into consideration when reviewing this case and we will contact you once we have reached a decision

 

I note that you presented three different oystercards for inspection, none of them contained sufficient funds for a journey and therefore were not valid

 

Please do not hesitate to contact me if i can assist you further

 

Yours sincerly...

 

I dont think i mentioned in my original post that i presented three different oystercards - my regular student oyster card and two normal blue oyster cards which i always keep in my wallet just incase i lose one. What are your thoughts and what shall i do from here?i

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Well surely that shows that you were in the past mindful of having credit available to pay so had multiple sources to hand

Just a bad day that all 3 were empty

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I didnt have the money to top up so i used my brothers oyster card.

What do you think i should do from here?..

.shall i call the prosecutor dealing with my case and ask to settle or not?

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No let it run

Youve already offered an out of court settlement.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi guys

 

Just a quick update. As expected, i got the letter today informing me that tfl do intend to prosecute and i can either plead guilty and not come to court , plead not guilty and come to court or plead not guilty and attend a trial. They have charged me with the following:

 

On (date), you did enter a compulsory ticket area without having with you a valid ticket. Contrary to byelaw 17 (1) of the Transport for London Railway Byelaws Made under Paragraph 26 of schedule 11 to the greater london authority act 1999 and confirmed under section 67 of the transport Act 1962.

 

I just wanted to know if there was anything i could do from here. Also how would this conviction affect me in the future with regards to employment and travel. I am applying to university later this year with the hope of studying dentistry and univeristies carry out an enhanced dbs criminal record check so will this show up.

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No harm in ringing and grovelling to them now

You can still get an OOC settlement on the day too now

 

Yes it can effect uni/work/travel

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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hows this going?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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hows this going?

 

Hi guys

 

I wanted to update you all as to what happened with my case.

 

After receiving the letter asking me to either plead guilty or not guilty, i decided i had to seek the help of a solicitor. They wrote to TFL on my behalf emphasising how a criminal record would have an adverse effect on my future career and employment hopes as i am a young person applying to university later this year. Thankfully, TFL withdrew the case and just issued me with a warning...no criminal record or fine.

 

I certainly have learnt a valuble lesson from this and i am grateful for the help and advice i received on this forum.

 

Thank-you all :)

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