Kirklees council PCN - Code 86 Not parked correctly within the markin - any point challenging this parking ticket?

[karel35]

Hi,

 

This morning I had a very important meeting that I could not miss and went to park in my usual car park.

 

Unfortunately it was full, this has never been the case before, but I sucked it up and used the larger car park across the road where the minimum stay is 4 hours and they charge £2.50, this is why I never use it.

 

This car park is never more than half full, but was full today.

Obviously something local was going on as this has never happened in all the years I have been parking.

 

After driving around for 10 minutes and no space appearing I saw a space that was not blocking anyone at all, and it looked like a space.

There was a small triangle of yellow lines right in the corner of the space,

that made it look like you could maybe not park there,

but I checked all around and it was blocking no one at all, there was ample room.

I took the chance as I really could not miss this meeting and paid my ticket.

 

When I came back I had a ticket on the car,

this small triangle in the corner was half obscured by leaves and was not the easiest to see.

 

I took a pic of the leaves covering it down the side and at the back,

I also took a pic of the front of the car as it really did look like a parking space with white lines at the front and to show it was not blocking anything.

It was just this small half obscured yellow triangle at the back that made me doubtful, but that made no sense as it blocked nothing.

 

I am not trying to say I am in the right as I thought it maybe a non parking spot,

but paid my money and had no choice but to take my chance,

missing the meeting would have cost me far more than the ticket.

 

Is there any point trying to challenge this ticket or do I just suck it up and take it,

the least they could do is take the £2.50 off is the ticket was invalid.

 

Thanks for any help

 

Paul

[dx100uk]

council PENALTY CHARGE NOTICE

or private FAKE notice

[BazzaS]

Who knows? It is impossible to say from the (minimal) details you have provided.

As an example of significant information that you haven't provided, that will influence the reply you need:

Was this a council car park, or private parking company?.

Was the "ticket" you received a "parking charge notice" or "penalty charge notice"?

 

In the meantime, don't identify yourself as the driver if you have any contact with the issuer (& ideally, hold fire, and avoid any contact in the short term until you've had advice ....)

[karel35]

I am pretty sure it was council parking - Penalty charge notice.

 

Code 86 Not parked correctly within the markings of a bay or space.

 

The parking space was easily enough room to fit a car, in the back corner of the space there was a triangle of yellow lines crossed around 3 ft long and 1 ft high, thats all I can say really, the triangle covered about a quater of the whole space.

[dx100uk]

So it says EXACTLY penalty charge notice?

Be sure its very important!!

 

PPC's are know to use codes too on their tickets to try and con people

[ericsbrother]

WHO issued the ticket?

[karel35]

Sorry , yes it is definitely council, I was always sure that car park was, issued by Kirklees council, if it was private it would have been in the bin.

 

As I say I am just wondering of there is any point challenging it or will it just get thrown out.

 

My points are, it looked like a parking bay, obstructed nothing at all and I paid for my ticket? Or I took pics and so much of the small yellow lined area was covered with leaves, could I go for the, it was covered and I did not notice?

[green_and_mean]

is there signage saying you must park in a bay?

[karel35]

I don't think so,

I guess there argument was the yellow lines,

although these only covered around a 3rd of the parking space, not all of it.

 

I honestly have no idea why they were there as it just looked like a normal space and was blocking nothing off at all,

no entry or exit,

not stopping or impeding anyone getting in our out,

it wasn't obstructing anything.

 

This is why I took my chance

[renegadeimp]

Any chance you can show us a pic of the signage at the car park? and where you were parked?

[karel35]

I have no pics of signage

 

I have also tried to upload the pics via a image hosting site and they are just coming up as question marks which is odd, any other way I can share them?

 

Edit: Here are the links to the pics

 

https://ibb.co/dOEf6m

 

https://ibb.co/kyp8sR

 

https://ibb.co/nRoJsR

[honeybee13]

Hi. Click on the word 'upload' in your post or mine and you'll go through to a screen with instructions.

 

HB

[karel35]

still not clear, the links take you to the pics though, sorry best I can do

[dx100uk]

put the pictures in a word document one to a page

file save as PDF

upload it

 

read upload

[disgruntled2007]

We also need to see signs and a clearer indication of what you parked on...

[karel35]

Hi,

 

I came on here about the original fine to see if I could appeal it.

I decided it was not worth it and paid the early £25 within 14 days.

This notice was served on 13th February.

 

Without looking I don't know if I have the receipt, I doubt it but if I dig deep enough I may, but I definitely paid it early (it was paid at my local post office) not sure if they will have it on record.

 

Today I have a letter that says I owe another £50 and it actually states, original about £50, 50% charge certificate and amount paid so far £25, so it admits I did pay £25.

 

I am utterly baffled why I have this letter, I made sure I paid within the 14 days, they have the payment showing as paid.

 

Am I missing something here?

 

What is the best stage of action to take?

 

Thanks for any help

 

Paul

Edited March 29, 2018 by dx100uk
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[BankFodder]

So this is a local authority parking fine? Do they have a help number to call?

[karel35]

Yes local authority, I have just emailed them, as phone line is always busy. Just wondering where Is stood as I can't find a receipt, maybe better to come back after they reply, just seems v odd and I really can't afford another fine.

[Michael Browne]

When did you pay the discounted penalty?

[DragonFly1967]

I have merged the threads so that people can see the history of the ticket

[karel35]

When did you pay the discounted penalty?

 

I Paid it 11 days after the letter arrived on the 13th February, so 11 days after that. I can only think they are saying its from when they sent the letter out and I missed the deadline, but not sure as it says nothing . I 100% paid 11 days after the letter arrived. I have had no answer to my email so need to ring them, just feel totally ripped off.

[Michael Browne]

The original pcn was on the 15th january, so I'm assuming the letter of 13th February was a Notice to Owner, by which point you have lost the discount option (unless the NtO says different) and the full penalty of £50 is due. Since you only paid half the due amount, they are entitled to isssue the Charge Certificate with a 50% surcharge, ie £75. So minus the £25 paid , you still owe £50