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Hi, this my first post here This may be a little long winded but here goes (apologies in advance)

 

Brief History : Around 5-6yrs ago ,I started claiming Incapacity Benefit for several different conditions in part because i had missed my signing on time/date at the Job centre, more than 2 times within a 12mth period (they will then refuse to pay you for all or part of the 2 week period, as they don't consider you to be actively seeking work,if you are too sick to sign on)

 

My GP back then was great, issued and continued to issue sick notes as required (every 3mths) until DWP stopped requiring them, 12mths or so passed, had to attend ATOS WCA passed 15points on 1 descriptor and several points on others 2yrs later ATOS WCA again passed with 15points same result

 

But this latest time after attending the first ATOS appointment ,and being asked if i could come back on a later date (which i agreed to) as it was 3 weeks before xmas 2012, a new appointment was scheduled for a date days before xmas but the time was too early for me to travel 18miles @ off peak fares

So i arranged another appointment which was in the first week in January 13

 

ATOS WCA 2013 : This was carried out by a nurse not a doctor who did not ask what i would consider to be real questions, and tried to twist some of my answers

The nurse performed a rudimentary physical examination, and some of the methods used didn't seem to be relevant to my condition

 

I was asked how i travelled to the assessment centre by the nurse and how long it took

Only the other day i got the results of my latest WCA and i scored NIL /ZERO/0

 

My first thought was is this some kind of sick joke I then rang the BA to request an appeal form and for the full information from the DWP/ATOS

 

I then booked an appointment with my GP for a routine visit , and also get the results from recent x-rays i had for investigating new conditions

 

I informed my gp about the recent WCA and the DWP decision regarding entitlement to ESA , and asked for a sick note for the long standing conditions which she refused ,saying that those conditions where not a good enough reason not to work ,and also asked me why she should pay taxes so that people can claim benefits ,when they could work ,and that this country was too soft compared to others,But she did begrudgingly issue a sick note for 4 weeks for a recently diagnosed condition ("moderate" osteoarthritis of the knee ) It possibly affects several other joints too, but when i got home i noticed that this sick note is not in my name,

 

BTW my GP is not the same GP that issued the sick notes some 5-6yrs ago

 

So now i will have to

A Get a second opinion from another GP . or B Change my GP As well as appeal,or start a fresh claim for ESA for the recently diagnosed condition

 

This whole system is not fit for purpose, GP's being brainwashed by Cam-moron and his side kick clegg, ATOS WCA is not put in place to make sure that those who cannot work get all the help that they deserve

 

But it is there instead to help get as many people off sickness related benefits as they possibly can, they are not independent/impartial as they are contracted by the government /DWP

 

Yep i've been reading about another person having the same issues with their doctor recently, it seems that Mr Cam-moron is trying to stop doctors from giving out med 3 notes with appealing and also stopping the appeal reassessment rate, so in fact when you think you are to iill to work you will not be able to claim the reassessment rate of £71 but in stead be made to apply for JSA, which sort of contradicts your illness as being able to work?

 

I really do hope cleggy boy is happy now with standing by this idiot? i think he's a very desperate man and there is no way he will be re- elected come next term.

 

Thing is didn't the BMC say that the ATOS WCA system currently in place is not fit for purpose, if this is true ,then why are some GP's ignoring this?

 

My GP's diagnosis regarding my knee as moderate, osteoarthritis which could also be Psoriatic arthritis as i have had psoriasis for around 20yrs,

 

 

My knee will randomly lock up whilst walking around, this can and has happened even after only a few paces or may not happen at all so matter how far i walk, i dare not run at all, Sometimes it locks up when i'm getting in or out of bed, in the process of sitting/standing ,

 

 

I cannot use a step ladder to change a light bulb /or stand on a cushioned chair without sever discomfort(pain)

 

I was told by a consultant @ A&E some 10-12yrs ago that my knee joint was basically wearing out faster than they normally do, I was asked if i played football/rugby at a semi pro or professional level, (which i didn't ) but my job at that time involved a lot of ladder climbing, to which he replied that could be a cause,

 

 

he also informed me that there was a realistic probability of needing a knee joint replacement in later life, and maybe a change in career could slow down the wear , So know that my knee is more serious than my GP thinks, So maybe it's time for a change of GP based on this alone,

 

The system of the DWP saying people are fit for work, even though they are unable to return to their previous profession or trade is wrong also, because a lorry driver /joiner /electrician for instance cannot walk into a IT office job without experience /training ect Assuming that a job exists, and the employer wishes to employ that person who quite probably will not have worked for a very long time , who's also quite possibly middle aged ,

 

 

They assume too much, "you could do this or that" And i could fly to the moon as well , both are very unlikely to happen in reality

 

That is so very wrong too

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And thats exactly what Atos does best make assumptions and stupid rash judgments on peoples lives, Atos as only

one aim and that's to make as much money from these assessments as possible and something needs to be done about it?

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Well it's certainly looking like that's what I'm going to have to do, because the locum at my gp's surgery also refused to issue a MED3 for my pre existing conditions that ATOS/DWP have decided are not stopping me working ,

 

The locum first was muttering about being unable to issue a MED3 after they found me fit to work,which pointed out that a MED3 could still be issued,to which the response was not when i think you are fit for work, But did issue a MED3 for a new problem,(although it's not really new) For 1 mth,lol and said that they would arrange for me to see a specialist regarding this, but never gave me the paper work to make the hospital outpatients appointment,

 

I seriously feel that GP's are being advised or mislead by government not to help patients fight ATOS appeals by issuing MED3's

If there is any proof in this then surely it needs to be exposed by the national media ie Panorama , dispatches ect

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The system of the DWP saying people are fit for work, even though they are unable to return to their previous profession or trade is wrong also, because a lorry driver /joiner /electrician for instance cannot walk into a IT office job without experience /training ect Assuming that a job exists, and the employer wishes to employ that person who quite probably will not have worked for a very long time , who's also quite possibly middle aged ,They assume too much, "you could do this or that" And i could fly to the moon as well , both are very unlikely to happen in reality

That is so very wrong too

 

Why is it wrong? Else it means you're going to have people who can work but not in their last profession claiming benefits. It doesn't matter whether that job exists. All that matters is whether you can work or not.

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Not quite they make an assumption that some can do other work, they have no evidence to back this up If ATOS /DWP could be sued for wrongly assessing people ,they wouldn't be a quick at assuming things But unfortunately they are abusing their power Which they abuse everyday, The current WCA is not fit for purpose , They lie in their statements about nearly everything during the charade they call WCA they are told to disallow as many claims as they possibly can,that is it's only purpose, They don't really care if someone can work or can't they all will score 0 points only to later win an appeal, or end up in hospital or worse

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Tommy Definitely change your GP, I would say she has acted in a totally unprofessional manner in expressing her bigotted views on paying her taxes. We had the same situation with my last GP, due to him my son's ESA was stopped, we changed surgeries and now have a wonderful group of doctors and support workers, with their support we have managed to get everything back in place. Please lodge a complaint with the surgery manager and if you get no response from that then take it to the GMC.

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As above post had said make a complaint this should not be happening to vulnerable people who need help to fight Atos and DWP, your appeal is important and this should not be compromised by the likes of this terrible Government.

 

Also get on to your local MP, ask if they know if GPs are for certain stopping the help of Med 3.

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I could do that, but i know that he voted in favour of the welfare reform bill , (Lib Dem )

 

So i would be surprised if he would help , That's when he's around to actually speak to, E-mailing him just gets his side kick replying who is a waste of space to put it politely

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Not quite they make an assumption that some can do other work, they have no evidence to back this up ...

 

Firstly, let me just say I agree with the general consensus that you need a better GP. And make a formal complaint about your present one.

That said, I have to take slight issue with your contention about 'other work'.

 

The DWP remit is quite simple. To be found fit for work you must be fit for any work. Irrespective of your previous occupation, training or forte. That don't matter none, as the saying goes. So, you used to be a Nuclear Physicist but you're too unwell to do that now? No problem.

 

You can hold a mop so there's work you can do.

They have their evidence through the ESA50 and the WCA. How they gather and interpret that evidence is a whole different kettle of pasties ...

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I almost replied to this opinion but, rather than drag the thread off in an unhelpful direction I chose to report the post - it's the triangle with the exclamation mark. Rather than rise to the bait it would be better if everyone else channelled their anger in that way. I won't be responding to any replies to my post or the previous one so please don't reply unless you have something constructive and helpful to say in response to the opening post.

 

Thanks for your understanding

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Responding to reported post by ABD

 

I cannot see any reason for the report

 

I cannot see any raising to any alleged bait.

 

Healthy discussion on op's topic.

 

Have you actually reported the correct post?


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Yes I reported the correct post and if you really think that telling someone in the middle of a fight with the DWP over an ATOS "medical" report "if you can hold a mop so there's work you can do" is an example of healthy discussion then I'm really not sure what I can say. If you think that's an appropriate comment to make in this thread then maybe you'd like to attend a meeting of people who just scored 0 points in a WCA despite a long history of depression, anxiety and staying indoors for fear of smacking people in the face with a brick.

 

You can't see any rising to any "alleged" bait because no-one has yet risen to it, I reported the post and made the followup post as an attempt to pre-empt it.

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RAE is not questioning the validity of any claim or ATOS assessment just merely expanding on 'other work' points.


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Oh! I hadn't realised it was actually my post that was reported! Good grief! I wasn't telling anyone anything. I was simply giving an example of how the DWP look at things. I did wonder who AnnoyedBy was talking about! :madgrin:

 

For the record, AnnoyedBy, I've been on ESA since it first started and have a great deal of personal experience about the unfairness of the system and it's iniquities. In FOUR YEARS I'm yet to stumble off the assessment rate and have had 0 points twice so far and am on my third consecutive claim ...

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Oh! I hadn't realised it was actually my post that was reported! Good grief! I wasn't telling anyone anything. I was simply giving an example of how the DWP look at things. I did wonder who AnnoyedBy was talking about! :madgrin:

 

My apologies then, although it might have been better if you'd made it clear in your post that you weren't being supportive of their rather interesting view of what constitutes fit for work. I interpreted that as "your GP is wrong but the DWP are right and you should be out working" and even reading it again now I'm not sure that I can reinterpret the post in a better light :/ It's the "I have to take slight issue with your contention about 'other work'" part, it really makes it seem as if you support the DWP viewpoint and, for me, turns it into what looks like a trolling attempt.

 

I'll freely admit to being perhaps a touch over-sensitive on this subject ( and, being Irish, I have a marvellous talent for understatement) due to the rhetoric from politicians and the nonsense being reported in the national media.

 

For the record, AnnoyedBy, I've been on ESA since it first started and have a great deal of personal experience about the unfairness of the system and it's iniquities. In FOUR YEARS I'm yet to stumble off the assessment rate and have had 0 points twice so far and am on my third consecutive claim ...
Four years!? Jeez, I've just gone through the IB to ESA conversion process and started an appeal so I'm waiting to get put on the assessment rate atm. It took 3 weeks to get the HB claim sorted out thanks to the big mess the DWP have made - to be fair to the HB people, they were actually really, really helpful. The system is ridiculously complex and I feel really sorry for some of the people having to administer it.

 

What's interesting is that I'm pretty sure the DWP are breaching all kinds of regulations and, in some cases, actually breaking the law. Listening to people who feel let down by their GPs in this process I've found that the unsupportive GPs seem to be in breach of the GMC code of conduct and there really doesn't seem to be anywhere for people caught up in this mess to turn to for help.

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AnnoyedBy, apology unnecessary but gratefully received. It is easy to give the wrong impression when conversing only through text and I'm painfully aware that sometimes I come across wrong - as I have on this occasion. In mitigation, I have a severe lung disease which causes quite chronic fatigue. I should use the smileys more!

I think I must hold the record for the longest continual time on the assessment rate - since early November 2008. My latest ESA50 went in in early December so fingers crossed.

Anyway, I'm just glad that any misunderstanding has been put away. At the end of the day, we're all on the same side ... :tea:

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:-oWow RaeUK that's like a continuous assessment benefit ... the logic of dwp beggars belief

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Indeed, Ruby, in 4 years and 3 months I haven't made it out of the sorting hat! The early years were very tough but what's eased things a lot was finally conceding that I needed to apply for DLA last summer. Not surprisingly, my application sailed through and I was awarded indefinate HRM and MRC. If only ESA could be so straightforward.

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not knowing anything about DLA, or even ESA, as I am still on IB, until they dig their claws into me again no doubt very soon....

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Well i have registered with another doctor, still go to see them yet though, my month is up end of next week, I have from my previous doctors a MED3 for 1 mth backdated ,But this isn't for the conditions that i had been claiming for, it only says "knee pain" which was really helpful, not

So I'm at a crossroads ,do i start a new claim for this knee problem, or submit the appeal without the backing of a doctor(no MED3) ? I guess I'll have to wait until I've seem my new GP, And if i don't get any money paid to me this week i'll probably have to get a crisis loan ,

What a joke the system has become

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Update: Seem my new DR,I explained my health issues and how they affect me,I was given a MED3 For all the conditions that i was claiming IB for, and the latest knee problem too,I asked the DR if the DWP ect had been in any way influencing GP's decisions when issuing MED3's for those appealing ATOS wca/DWP To which he said not that he was aware of, But did say that they will just ignore a GP's advice /MED3 So i have a med 3 valid for only 1 mth , But as i so far do not have much info regarding the DWP decision only brief exerts from the ATOS report , What is the best way to word my initial appeal application ,Any tips folk's ?

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