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Hi everyone.

 

Amongst all the hoo hah re UC

I am wondering what the criteria is with the esa support group.

 

For some reason I thought I had read somewhere that it wasn't included in the UC ....

 

today I read a post (elsewhere) that the claimant in esa support group has been given a breakdown of their UC allowance and its less than the current esa support group payment they get.

 

I looked on the UC info and saw a "new esa"...whatever that is...I have been in esa support group since transferred from incapacity benefit. I have long term illness and condition.

 

Are we all thrown off our existing benefits and entered into the melee of this new benefit?

 

I am afraid I can make no sense of it.

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Contributions based ESA isn't part of UC. It's only income based ESA that is.

 

As for whether we'll be worse off - you won't get the severe disability premium if you already get and apparently, there's transitional protection.

 

But I have no idea if UC will be more than ESA support group.

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Thank you....

 

You will definitely be worse off on UC, everyone is, its designed to work that way.

 

Like it is designed to take 6 weeks for the first payment, meanwhile when all this is going on, your rent as normal is not being paid, you are therefore in debt, and not by choice but how perverse the system is now working, eviction is the next engineered process.

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Xenophobic stuff removed.

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I dont claim pip or severe disability etc. I truthfully couldn't put myself through that whole process, I am ill enough without making myself worse. My daughter is my unpaid carer and does most things for me now,

including typing this on here for me. She has read on the dwp website about the transition from esa support group to UC and that states payment will not be less. We are guessing this is why they want to assess people and throw them off their current benefit, meaning they then have to claim the "new esa" which under UC would be a lesser payment.

 

Am wondering how many of the long term, never going to get better claimants really will be left alone now, as also stated by dwp. I fall under that category so will just have to wait and see. Its all so distressing, I can see why some just can't cope with all the pressure and long waits, and choose suicide instead. For some that's the only way to really end all of it.

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With regards to the design of UC - in principal the idea is right, in practice the whole systemis putting peoples wellbeing at risk.

 

I have just moved on to UC from ESA (assessment) and HB (via LA) after (not surprisingly) scoring ZERO at my WCA. My HB and ESA stopped and I claimed UC on line - I am STILL waiting for an appointment 5 days later - I do have legislation to hand though that I am exempt from the 7 day waiting period due to moving from ESA. This does not help my situation with waiting 6+ weeks for a payment which seems, after doing various calculations, to be around £140pm LESS than what I get now, this after working for 24 years and being 2 years unemployed/sick in that time.

 

So, what have I done to combat this? Well I have reduced all outgoings and spoken to people I have DDs with. My rent is being paid on credit card (I have a card with £1000 limit that I never use) - I will then probably not be able to pay that off so I will get that taken away (not bothered - not my fault, I will never have a good credit score or get a mortgage anyway)

 

On top of this I have had to go back to my GP as my anxiety and depression worsened due to this stress (likely now I won't get a payment until 2018!!!) and GP says in no way am I fit enough to work or look for work yet some herbert behind a desk who doesn't know a thing about me says I am fit for work. I actually broke down in GP surgery and had a full blown attack where I thought I was about to die. I have now not been out of the house for 8 days due to fear of people and I have never had agrophobia.

 

So all in all under UC I am worse off, having to borrow what I cannot afford, it has worsened my mental health and on top of it all my Father who is ill is having to see and put up with all of this on top of his own problems - he is currently at the hospital 3 times a week having treatment as well as biopsy, colonoscopy, endoscopy, CT scans and so on adding to my stress as well.

 

All in all the DWP do not care and have no empathy that you cannot pay your rent or buy food - they let you rot but I am past caring now, I really have. If my UC calculations are right I should have about £42pm left after I pay my rent and food and out of that I need to pay my contribution to gas/electric etc so I should be about £50pm over what I need just to survive

 

Still, lucky those ill are being looked after and told they can work when evidently they cannot.

 

Sorry for hijacking the thread but wanted to get that off my chest. UC simply does not work, will never work and it is not intended to work - it is there to punish people.

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Your fine, don't apologise for hijacking...its still info that people need to hear about this disgusting mess that treason mayhem is so proud of.

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So all in all under UC I am worse off

 

You won't be worse off. JSA and basic UC is the same amount. Unless of course you're subject to the benefit cap due to your rent.

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Hi everyone.

 

Amongst all the hoo hah re UC

I am wondering what the criteria is with the esa support group.

 

For some reason I thought I had read somewhere that it wasn't included in the UC ....

 

today I read a post (elsewhere) that the claimant in esa support group has been given a breakdown of their UC allowance and its less than the current esa support group payment they get.

 

I looked on the UC info and saw a "new esa"...whatever that is...I have been in esa support group since transferred from incapacity benefit. I have long term illness and condition.

 

Are we all thrown off our existing benefits and entered into the melee of this new benefit?

 

I am afraid I can make no sense of it.

 

I think you may well have to pass the WCA that UC have to be considered for the extra benefits that you would get being in the support group of claiming ESA.

 

So as well as having to wait five weeks for any benefit payment that it takes UC to make a simple claim add on to that about five months before they assess you for any medical benefits that you have been receiving whilst being on ESA.

 

Stay on ESA for as long as you possibly can because it all goes down hill when UC takes over.

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You won't be worse off. JSA and basic UC is the same amount. Unless of course you're subject to the benefit cap due to your rent.

 

I am sure OP has indicated that they are currently on ESA and not JSA.

 

And the benefit cap for rent is compulsory regardless of what benefit is being claimed Nystagnite.

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According to the dwp website my daughter has read that the transition from esa support group to UC will not involve any loss of money, and there is no mention of assessments. But obviously that little nugget can be fitted in any time. When the transition from incapacity benefit to esa support group happened it was just a letter explaining it all. We shall see what happens. Its a nightmare to be unwell and have this hanging like a dark cloud over us.

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I am sure OP has indicated that they are currently on ESA and not JSA.

 

And the benefit cap for rent is compulsory regardless of what benefit is being claimed Nystagnite.

 

I was replying to essexmatt who claimed he'd be worse off. I've done some maths which would state he'd get the same amount. And there's the transitional protection when you migrate over, assuming you're not migrating due to a change.

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I was replying to essexmatt who claimed he'd be worse off. I've done some maths which would state he'd get the same amount. And there's the transitional protection when you migrate over, assuming you're not migrating due to a change.

 

Essexmatt is worse off because he isn't getting the same amount of rent he was getting on esa because of his circumstances.

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Essexmatt is worse off because he isn't getting the same amount of rent he was getting on esa because of his circumstances.

 

Quite right.

 

I AM worse off, considerably

 

At present:

 

ESA (Assessment) @ £73.10pw = £292.40pm (approx)

HB (via LA) @ £382.50pm

Total = £674.90pm (approx)

 

Under UC

 

JSA element @ £317.82pm (I think)

Housing element =

Not sure about this yet as my circumstances are living with parents under joint tenancy. Total rent is £765.00pm my element is £382.50pm (1 room) as I am claiming under ESA at present. Under UC it is shared rate as share bathroom, kitchen etc so whether that be full sharedrate for my area which is £281pm or shared by 3 so £255pm I do not know yet. MyFather gets his full £382.50 as he is exempt because of disability etc.

 

So, under current scheme = £674.90pm

Under UC could range from £572.82 to £598.82

So yes, even at very best I will be £76.08 WORSE OFF

 

I am still awaiting my WCA decision letter (well I know I have ZERO) so waiting to move forward. I am due an ESA payment Thursday and HB on 30th so hopefully I will still get those. It is almost a month since my WCA so I should expect to hear soon?

 

Re transitional protection - I cannot work this out - am I eligible moving from ESA as I cannot work that out under managed migrant etc? I do however knowif moving from another benefit like I am (ESA) the 7 day waiting rule doe not apply.

 

Any insights anyone?

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You only get protection if the DWP transfer you over when you are on esa,if you are found fit for work you are moving to UC from esa because you wouldn't be entitled to esa anymore so you lose the protection.

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You only get protection if the DWP transfer you over when you are on esa,if you are found fit for work you are moving to UC from esa because you wouldn't be entitled to esa anymore so you lose the protection.

 

That is what I thought, didn't expect it anyway so won't come as a shock when not getting it and being considerably worse off. Still, my credit card at £0 balance will have to see me through the 6+ weeks of no money - won't end up paying them anyway - not my fault!

 

Ironically I love the fact that you are found 'fit for work' by some spotted herbert sitting behind a desk ruining peoples lives and making them iller but your GP who has know you for years on end says you are not fit for work and signs you off at 3 months at a time. Great system eh, I mean what would your GP know, they are only professionaly trained to say you are mentally ill and suffering and able to prescribe ADs and beta blockers as well as send you for counselling and anger management.

 

Whole system STINKS

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Yes it I lost my esa because the so called nurse lied and ignored evidence after she pretended to be sympathetic towards me when the decision maker called to tell me 0 points I told him what she had left out he then read my evidence which he hadn't read either he was just going by her report he reinstated my esa if he hadn't called and sent a letter I would have lost it altogether.Unfortunately it just depends who you get to assess you.

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Yes it I lost my esa because the so called nurse lied and ignored evidence after she pretended to be sympathetic towards me when the decision maker called to tell me 0 points I told him what she had left out he then read my evidence which he hadn't read either he was just going by her report he reinstated my esa if he hadn't called and sent a letter I would have lost it altogether.Unfortunately it just depends who you get to assess you.

 

All sorted now though? I hope so!

 

I am due an ESA payment tomorrow of £146.20 and a housing benefit payment of £382.50 on 30th. I have heard nothing by way of a call or letter re WCA yet so hopefully I will at least get these 2 payments before having the dreaded call or letter andhavingto claim UC on line!

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Yes thanks Matt it's sorted until next may.I get paid on a Tuesday and my payment is already processed on the Friday so that's 2 full working days before so yours should be put on the system on the 27th so you only need to get past tomorrow without any news and you should get your payment ok.Just looked at the calendar it should be put on the system tomorrow because the 30th is a Monday.

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Yes thanks Matt it's sorted until next may.I get paid on a Tuesday and my payment is already processed on the Friday so that's 2 full working days before so yours should be put on the system on the 27th so you only need to get past tomorrow without any news and you should get your payment ok.Just looked at the calendar it should be put on the system tomorrow because the 30th is a Monday.

 

I hope so, as at least for me that wouldbe another £528.70 and another month paid up. The cynic in me says that even though the DWP have not called and I have no letter yet the LA has been informed and no money will be shown in my account. As I am OCD and worry a lot when I expect a payment I stay up until 12.15am so check it has gone in!

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I'm sure it will be fine,i know the feeling every second monday i am the same but my bank doesn't pay in until 2-20am but it is worth staying up to make sure it goes in,who we would phone at that time in the morning if it didn't go in i don't know lol.

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Hi there is online a list of areas and the dates of when the universal credit transition will happen. I have seen reports that its still in backlog, and that although it was meant to be done by 2018 that its now going to be 2021/2. I cant find any actual list or info for this. Is this right or are they still on the 2018 date to have it all rolled by?.

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All I get from that is page not found....oh now I just clicked on the link in the email message and I got the page. Thank you. From that it says once its rolled out in all areas then the existing benefit claimants (which I guess are like me currently on esa support group etc) will be transferred from 2019.

 

Thanks.

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Depends on what info you're after?

 

There's a collation of resource links on this page https://benefitrights.net/2015/03/30/universal-credit-maps/

 

There is an interactive map you can click on which might be on that page but I can't remember the exact link.

 

Also whilst you have the different rollout levels I'm not sure there's a list on when the planned rather than natural migration of existing claimants commences.

 

So whilst it should be rolled out by end of 2018 the migration of existing non UC claims will take far longer and hence the is it 2020/2022? completion date *

 

* note this maybe subject to further revision as all claims were supposed to be migrated over by Sept 2017 iirc :lol:

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