EPC ANPR PCN - Trinity Street, Bolton BL3 6DH.overstay

[OB2]

hello... i've just been reading this thread

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?472401-Euro-car-parks-PCN-Trinity-Street-Bolton-BL3-6DH.&p=5050117#post5050117

 

have also been hit with a parking charge notice from the bandits at the same car park (Bolton Shopping Park).

How did this case end up?

I am wondering if it's worth challenging it or not.

thank you!

[renegadeimp]

Hi OB". Follow the advice already given in that thread and you won't go wrong.

 

You should definitely challenge it, because they have no reason to make you pay as they have made so many mistakes. Remember, they are just cowboy clampers doing something else.

 

Sadly though very few people come back to update us.

They usually send off the appeal to POPLA, win and we never hear from them.

[OB2]

Hi, thanks for the quick reply. I will possibly open another thread..

 

. I was interested to learn what the outcome was with the previous poster (who will possibly have been notified after I wrote something there).

 

One question before I do though.

.. if I log the appeal what happens to the 14 days of 'discounted' charge?

Is that put on hold or will it switch to 70 regardless?

[dx100uk]

Ignore their timelines

[OB2]

Hi, I've been hit with a PCN (Parking charge notice) for a 22 min overstay.

 

I'll file an appeal, but while all this goes on will the reduced to £40 rate remain valid if it strays beyond 14 days?

[renegadeimp]

Please give more info.

[OB2]

how can i send ove the appeal letter, i don't fancy posting it here just yet for all to see

 

[renegadeimp]

Post all info about the PCN please. Including history of it.

 

regarding your original question,

yes. If you dont appeal in the time frame, then the discount wont apply.

 

However as its private land, you wont have to pay anyway.

But we need to info in order to help you.

 

The fact you're asking that question shows you are thinking of paying, when you absolutely wont have to.

[OB2]

its a Parking Charge Notice from euro car parks.

asking for £70 reduced to £40 if paid within 14 days

(am I right in thinking this is put on hold if I log an appeal within the said 14 days?)

 

Basics are that the vehicle overstayed it's welcome by 22 minutes.

Passenger in the car had an ailment that meant easing it with morphine

 

on the day in question,

person got tired and needed to take a short rest (of around 30-45 mins) causing the overstay.

 

2 other passengers can testify to that along with a 3rd party person who we chatted to at the time of the problem. person is also a blue badge holder.

[OB2]

PCN was for Bolton Shopping Park which has the car caught on cameras going in and out

[honeybee13]

Hello and welcome to CAG.

 

Can you look at this forum stikky please and copy and paste the questions and your answers to the thread so people can advise you?

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?462118-Have-you-received-a-Parking-Ticket

 

Best, HB

[honeybee13]

Here's another stikky for you, the commonly used forum abbreviations.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?168275-Posting-in-this-Forum-and-A-Z-of-Motoring-Terms

 

HB

[OB2]

For PNC's received through the post [ANPR camera capture]

 

please answer the following questions.

 

1 Date of the infringement 27 July

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 03 August

 

3 Date received 05 August

 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [y/n?] Yes

 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes (of number plate & of full car (requested))

 

6 Have you appealed? {y/n?] post up you appeal] Not yet (see below)

 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N/A

 

7 Who is the parking company? Euro car parks

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Bolton Shopping Park, Trinity Street, Bolton BL36DH

 

***Appeal Letter ***

You issued me with a parking ticket on 27 July 2017 but I believe it was unfairly issued. I decline your invitation to name the driver, which is not required of me as the keeper of the vehicle.

· Mitigating circumstances

There are mitigating circumstances to explain why the vehicle was parked where it was and the charge should be waived for this reason. Please see * below as proof of claim.

 

· The charge is disproportionate and not commercially justifiable

The amount you have charged is not based upon any commercially justifiable loss to your company or the landowner. In my case, the charge you are asking for far exceeds the cost to the landowner. The requested fee for an overstay of 22 minutes is excessive

 

... Then I explain the issue as in previous post (no I, me, us, we, etc is included)

[renegadeimp]

Change the letter. You stated that they issues YOu. They did not. They issued the driver of the vehicle. By stating you, you just confirmed to them you were the driver.

 

Also you waffle on in your appeal. Why? because no matter what you put, they will deny the appeal. tell them donald trump came to bolton and you had a nice chat so you were distracted. Tell them anything, it doesnt matter what. You just want the popla code.

[OB2]

...and then what? Once I have a POPLA code what grounds do I have for a successful appeal? At the moment I just feel I'll go through a load of hassle and end up paying £70 and not £40.

I need to understand what i have that will work 100%

[renegadeimp]

Read these forums. There are literally dozens of threads with the EXACT same issue as you and theyve all won.

[mariner51]

There is no guarantee with any appeal. Send your appeal within 14 daysl, do NOT allude/name driver. In your explanation of circumstances I suggest "I am informed that a person in the vehicle became unwell, requiring an injection of morphine and could not contue for x mins, hence the enforced overstay."

See if they re-offer discount. They are not obliged to do so.

[OB2]

I've been trawling forums all day and while ive collected some useful info, Ive failed to find anything exactly the same. I still dont even know if the reduced £40 remains after i file the appeal.

Will it increase to £70 regardless after 14 days?

Will it increase after ECP reject the 1st appeal?

[dx100uk]

Don't worry about this stupid discount or anytime scales

You can put you dog was longer in mac'ds toilet

It don't matter you won't win but you need the popla code

 

Any chance of sign photos?

Any on that other thread?

[OB2]

I did mention in the 1st post that the person is a blue badge holder.

 

Signage in the car park says "blue badge holders only within marked bays" with small print under saying "please inform us if you wish to park longer than the maximum time indicated. Valid badge must be displayed".

 

Another sign mentions the site is patrolled... presumably an additional note to the blue badge in the window is sufficient to extend?

[dx100uk]

Its a ruse

BB's mean nowt on private land

[OB2]

But they make the statement about the BB...

[lookinforinfo]

OB2 most parking companies operate to take as much money off motorists as they can regardless of the legality of how they do it. We help motorists to avoid paying them any money at all.

 

You say that you have been trawling forums looking for guidance-well done for that. However there are so many things that parking companies get wrong whilst carrying out their work of parting our money from us so you have to thing wider than just overstaying.

 

To help us could you please send us photgraphs of the signs and notices in the car park. Often they do not comply with the Law which means they have no right to even demand money. In addition could you please show us all the letters you have from them suitably redacted so no one can see who you are. Some parking companies make a total hash of their documents so that they are not POFA compliant for example or they attempt to charge more money than they lawfully can. Only by seeing the notices they have sent can this be discerned.

 

Following on, many times these companies do not have the right to charge people since they do not have the correct authority from the landowner and/or they may not have planning permission to erect the car park notices which once again means they cannot demand money from anyone.

 

As you were carrying a disabled badge [it counts for little with parking companies as it Popla a fis another hurdle that they have to get over before they can take your money] that brings into play the Disability Act and the Equality Act for you.

 

Euro parks are not as vigorous as some of the others in chasing down motorists . For instance Europarks only took less than 200 people to Popla compared to Parking Eye that took over 5000 in that same year so there is not too much to be worried about.

 

So if you could post up their silly requests for money there will be several members on here will cheerfully rip them to pieces and show you that there is nothing to worry about. And if you could also post up the photos that should further allay your fears.

 

Many on here advocate looking at the parking-prankster and you could try looking at his .com site rather than his blogspot and you might find Europarks mentioned there as well as other cases where motorists have stayed longer than the notices state.

 

The other thing to try is to write[a letter not an email] to the land owner and point out it is no way to treat a genuine customer who is having health problems-it would not look good in the local paper. That often has a quicker result than exchanging letters with EUROparks who do not care two figs for your reasons-they just want your money.

[OB2]

these are the signs on the car park and I've added the letter I received

Should I get a photo of the sign at the entrance also?

 

http://s1068.photobucket.com/user/bangoobaji/library/signs

 

My point is that if i put the blue badge in the window with an additional note i have a case, right?

 

They don't say on the sign how to inform

I would guess it'd be seen by the person on patrol (they say its patrolled on the other sign).

 

I was caught purely by entry/exit cameras, no other photos exist.

Even if they don't give a monkeys about blue badges, its whats on their signs and their signs are their 'contract'

Edited August 7, 2017 by OB2

[ericsbrother]

no-one can see them unless they already have a photobucket account

so follow the upload instructions you can find on this forum in other threads.

 

Anything else you say about anything is just conjecture until we can see the ticket/NTK

but if it is ANPR then that is something to argue about later but probably as a separate issue regarding the BB.

 

You would be better taking that up with the landowner and threatening them with a law suit for allowing these bandits to behave the way they do in their name but lets get the focus back on what they have said.