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    • I've inserted their poc re:your.. 1 ..they did send 2 paploc's  3. neither the agreement nor default is mentioned in their 2.        
    • Hi Guys, i read a fair few threads and saw a lot of similar templates being used. i liked this one below and although i could elaborate on certain things (they ignored my CCA and sent 2 PAPs etc etc) , am i right in that at this stage keep it short? If thats the case i cant see what i need to add/change about this one   1)   the defendant entered into a consumer credit act 1974 regulated agreements vanquis under account reference xxxxxxx 2)   The defendant failed to maintain the required payment, arrears began to accrue 3)   The agreement was later assigned to the claimant on 29 September 2017 and notice given to the defendant 4)   Despite repeated requests for payment, the sum of 2247.91 remains due outstanding And the claimant claims a)The said sum of £2247.91 b)The interest pursuant to S 69 county courts act 1984 at the rate of 8% per annum from the date of issue, accruing at a daily rate of £xxxx, but limited to one year,  being £xxxx c)Costs   Defence:   The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim vague and are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made.   1. The Claimant has not complied with paragraph 3 of the PAPDC ( Pre Action Protocol) Failed to serve a letter of claim pre claim pursuant to PAPDC changes of the 1st October 2017.It is respectfully requested that the court take this into consideration pursuant to 7.1 PAPDC.   2. The Claimant claims £2247.91 is owed under a regulated consumer credit account under reference xxxxxxx. I do not recall the precise details or agreement and have sought verification from the claimant and the claimants solicitor by way of a CPR 31.14 and section 78 request who are yet to fully comply.   3. Paragraph 2 is denied. I am unable to recall the precise details of the alleged agreement or any default notice served in breach of any defaulted payments. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied.The Defendant contends that no notice of assignment pursuant to s.136 of the Law of Property Act & s.82 A of the CCA1974 has ever been served by the Claimant as alleged or at all.   5. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of assignment/balance/breach requested by CPR 31. 14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to:   (a) show how the Defendant has entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence any cause of action and service of a Default Notice or termination notice; and © show how the Defendant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim;   6. After receiving this claim I requested by way of a CPR 31.14 request and a section 78 request for copies of any documents referred to within the Claimants' particulars to establish what the claim is for. To date they have failed to comply to my CPR 31.14 request and also my section 78 request and remain in default with regards to this request.   7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed.   8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974.   9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.  
    • i understand. Just be aware I am prepared to take some risks 😉
    • Thanks Tnook,   Bear with us while we discuss this behind the scenes - we want you to win just as much as you do but we want to find the right balance between maximising your claim without risking too much in court fees, and in possible court costs awarded to the defendant bank.
    • Tell your son and think on this. He can pay the £160  and have no further worries from them. If he read POFA  Scedule 4 he would find out that if he went to Court and lost which is unlikely on two counts at least [1] they don't do Court and 2] they know they would lose in Court] the most he would be liable to pay them is £100 or whatever the amount on the sign says. He is not liable for the admin charges as that only applies to the driver-perhaps.If he kept his nerve, he would find out that he does not owe them a penny and that applies to the driver as well.   But we do need to see the signage at the entrance to the car park and around the car park as well as any T&Cs on the payment meter if there is one. He alone has to work out whether it is worth taking a few photographs to help avoid paying a single penny to these crooks as well as receiving letters threatening him with Court , bailiffs  etc trying to scare him into paying money he does not owe. They know they cannot take him to Court. They know he does not owe them a penny. But they are hoping he does not know so he pays them.   If he does decide to pay, tell him to wait as eventually as a last throw of the dice they play Mister Nice Guy and offer a reduction.   Great. Whatever he pays them it will be far more than he owes as their original PCN is worthless. Read other threads where our members have been ticketed for not having a permit. [We know so little about the situation that we do not know if he has a permit and forgot to display it. ]
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Many thanks Andy. Do I reel off a copy to cohen, the court and keep one for myself ?

 

Yes..in line with dates prescribed in your Notice of Allocation (Directions)...attach copies of your CCA and CPR requests and any responses..ideally were you refer to the claimants disclosures and your requests sent within your witness statement you should mark your paragraph (see exhibit 1a..1b ) etc and copy and attach the agreement/T&Cs/DN and anything else that you refute.

 

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Hi

 

The date in court for this is later this week. Any final tips or advice anyone can offer ? What to expect ?

 

Will I have to talk much or will the judge see from the witness statement my argument ?

 

Cheers

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The District Judge will lead the trial and you will be asked at the relevant stages for comment...so be prepared to expand on your statements and have the relevant documents easily to hand so yu can quickly refer...keep calm ...talk clearly...anything you dont understand or disagree with then state so.

 

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Thank you. Final question. How long do these things generally last ?

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Depends on the complexity of the claim...1 hour to hour and half


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Absolutely awful that. Judge was vile. Upheld everything they claimed.

 

Statute barred runs from default notice termination not last payment.

 

 

BMW case is good to use with credit cards too.

 

Carey was also good to use with any old agreement thrown together.

 

 

Even pre 2007 ones.

 

 

Lost on everything.

 

Still in shock

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Absolutely awful that. Judge was vile. Upheld everything they claimed.

 

Statute barred runs from default notice termination not last payment. - no it doesnt

 

 

BMW case is good to use with credit cards too. - no it doesn't only on a very narrow selection of HP agreements

 

Carey was also good to use with any old agreement thrown together. - no it doesnt

Even pre 2007 ones.

 

 

Lost on everything.

 

Still in shock

 

 

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Absolutely awful that. Judge was vile. Upheld everything they claimed.

 

Statute barred runs from default notice termination not last payment. Wrong.... termination Notices are not issued on Credit Cards

 

 

BMW case is good to use with credit cards too. Wrong

 

Carey was also good to use with any old agreement thrown together. Wrong..Carey is about requesting a copy of the agreement..not enforcing it

 

 

Even pre 2007 ones. As above

 

 

Lost on everything.

 

Still in shock

Bet you are...sometimes you get these judges as DX refers to Judge lottery....not interested in Consumer Credit Law..not interested in Defendants and Justice ..probably in a rush to get home watch the tennis and complete his/her expenses for the day.

 

Post when you get notice of judgement Benny.....and we will get it down to £1 per month.

 

Commiserations.

 

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Bet you are...sometimes you get these judges as DX refers to Judge lottery....not interested in Consumer Credit Law..not interested in Defendants and Justice ..probably in a rush to get home watch the tennis and complete his/her expenses for the day.

 

Post when you get notice of judgement Benny.....and we will get it down to £1 per month.

 

Commiserations.

 

Andy

 

 

Thanks.

 

That's the thing also. When he said the full amount plus cost was payable he took immense pleasure in informing me the full amount MUST be paid within 28 days. Little other option. Honestly it was horrific.

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Commiserations Benny, did the fact that the s78 was unreadable hold no merit? There are examples of Judges going the other way on that if you care to read them, google cabot financial vs bachellier for one example. Unbelievable the discrepancy between Judges verdicts in these cases.

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Commiserations Benny, did the fact that the s78 was unreadable hold no merit? There are examples of Judges going the other way on that if you care to read them, google cabot financial vs bachellier for one example. Unbelievable the discrepancy between Judges verdicts in these cases.

 

Hardly going to bother about that looking at the list above which was of no concern to him....

 

Benny...you can submit an N245 for a forthwith judgment (see Legal Library) you can get exemption on the fee if eligble £50.00...you complete the I&E and offer of payment...I assume you have very little left after your living expenses so will be offering £1 per month

 

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Commiserations Benny, did the fact that the s78 was unreadable hold no merit? There are examples of Judges going the other way on that if you care to read them, google cabot financial vs bachellier for one example. Unbelievable the discrepancy between Judges verdicts in these cases.

 

Honestly he didn't want to know. They could have brought anything and he'd have accepted it. He was more than happy that Carey allowed you to use anything reconstituted as long as it had a signature and address. I was shocked he can't have taken much notice if any of my witness statement

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I almost forgot. They wanted to impose extra costs at the end for my apparently "wasting the courts time for even bringing it to court"

At one point it even looked like he was considering this but came down on the side of "I had a few relevant points" so knocked this back !

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Honestly he didn't want to know. They could have brought anything and he'd have accepted it. He was more than happy that Carey allowed you to use anything reconstituted as long as it had a signature and address. I was shocked he can't have taken much notice if any of my witness statement

 

Most probably didnt even read it.

 

I almost forgot. They wanted to impose extra costs at the end for my apparently "wasting the courts time for even bringing it to court"

At one point it even looked like he was considering this but came down on the side of "I had a few relevant points" so knocked this back !

 

That was generous of him.


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Not for everyone, but have you thought of appealing the decision? It has to be on a point of law but any Judge cannot go against precedent or legislation, unless they are a higher court, which this wasn't.

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Not for everyone, but have you thought of appealing the decision? It has to be on a point of law but any Judge cannot go against precedent or legislation, unless they are a higher court, which this wasn't.

 

Have considered it. Is it worth it ? What's the likelihood of success ?

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Also more than happy to provide an exact transcript of the Judges summing up of this if anybody is interested in it

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Have considered it. Is it worth it ? What's the likelihood of success ?

 

I went to the court of appeal on a case that was originally for for £680. I had to do it all myself as although I was on very safe ground, i.e. the magistrate made an a55 of himself, i did not want the cost of a lawyer if it went south. Likewise, I asked for costs when I won and got nil awarded, despite spending fully 5 minutes doing an Al Pacino impersonation from Carlitos Way. Its hard work and the court system will give you zero assistance.

 

You may well get £1 a week payment but ultimately you still have to pay c3k. It sounds like the DJ got it wrong and if the agreement is not in the prescribed form then it is not enforceable, as established in a higher court.

 

You have to decide and there has to be a compelling reason for raising an appeal, such as a mistake in law. This forum would need to see the full transcript to give its view, at the end of it all, it is an opinion based platform, but within the relevant range of the legislation "CCA" and precedent - the highest court having sway, and a lower court CANNOT go against that.

 

What some forget is that judges can be crap, or just human, and make mistakes.

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