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Any advice on how to go about making the donation as asked by the policeman?

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you don't manage DWF

you ignore them totally.

 

 

don't get me wrong

if you do get letters

they will appear mighty scary

 

 

but its all hot air to line their pockets

none of what RLP or DWF spoof out of people ever gets back to the store anyway!!


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Thanks again dx100uk. I will update if I get a letter from DWF. And I will ignore them as advised by everyone here.

Any advice about how to go about making the donation?

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no forget about it.

 

 

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there is nothing to pay.

 

 

its a voluntary gift a donation of goodwill

it carries no strings if you do or dont to anything.

 

 

as said earlier if you are really that worried about it

do it to a charity rather than tescos!

no-one will ever check you've done it or not


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Thank you so much. I understand now, it was not like a condition.

However I will donateicon this money to a charity to make me feel better.

Will update if I hear from DWF.

Thank you once again for being so patient and addressing my concerns. I did not expect to get this level of support especially considering that what I have done is vile

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I did not expect to get this level of support especially considering that what I have done is vile

 

Please stop beating yourself up over this. Many many people find themselves in your situation and believe me a lot of them do not show anywhere near the level or remorse that you have. The important thing for everybody, not least yourself, is that lessons have been learned, appropriate help sought and that you move on with your life in a more straightforward manner. If being caught does this then justice has prevailed

 

My guess is that the police officer attending sensed the shame and worry that being caught has caused and suggested that a donation (which would be to Tesco's charity partner not to Tesco itself) might help to ease the burden and give you a feeling of making amends, but I cannot say for certain as I wasn't there. As DX says the police will have closed the incident as 'no further action' and Tesco in banning you will not be taking further action by trawling through CCTV for previous incidents - they couldn't act that far after the event as any chain of evidence would be broken.

 

As far as the Visa question goes - were you actually arrested and/or formally cautioned by the police officer? Providing that you can answer the ESTA questions truthfully online you shouldn't have a problem. US INS would not be consulting Tesco for information


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Thank you so much Sidewinder. The responses I have got from everyone here give some me hope.

My worry about ESTA for US visa waiver emanates from the fact that I don't really know what happened that day, whether I was given a caution or community resolutio. I was definitely not arrested and I haven't signed any paper for Tesco or the police yet. Though the policeman had said there might be some paperwork. When I requested him not to come to my house, he took my mobile number and said he may contact me.

 

With the ESTA, unless I know what actually happened, whether It was a formal procedure or whether I have a criminal record, I won't know what to declare. If I declared I have no criminal record and I do, then that would not be true. Again if I don't have a criminal record and I declare, I will be declined the wish waiver and all in vain. The ambiguity is really worrying me though obviously I will be very grateful if what happened wasn't formal or ended in me having a criminal record.

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Don't worry about the visa. Nothing will be on any record that affects it.

 

Apply for your visa and state no convictions.

 

They're only Interested in major convictions. The type you go to court for. Not stuff like the police simply talked you you in a shop and let you go.


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Thank you so much renegadeimp. Feel better about the visa issue.

Now I hope I never get that dreaded call and the policeman and had he has mercifully washed his hands off me.

Don't suppose the DWF will show any mercy,

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Morning,

To be honest, I'm not even sure DWF will write. Nothing said so far indicates they will get involved. I could be totally wrong of course. If they do contact you, we may be able to either bat them away or get them to write to a different address.

 

I have seen a couple of cases on CAG where visa issues were mentioned. At least one of these got a visa. The problem with shoplifting threads is that we rarely get a final update to let us know what happened over the long term.


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Don't worry about the visa. Nothing will be on any record that affects it.

 

Apply for your visa and state no convictions.

 

They're only Interested in major convictions. The type you go to court for. Not stuff like the police simply talked you you in a shop and let you go.

 

Are you suggesting the OP not use the visa-waiver programme (VWP), and instead apply for a visa?.

 

I think the OP should be able to apply for an ESTA and use the VWP if they weren't arrested by the police, and weren't given an FPN.

They haven't been given a formal caution (the type where they admit their guilt, signing a document stating this, at the police station).

They haven't received a FPN.

So, if the police officer didn't arrest them, the OP can apply for an ESTA, answering the questions truthfully.

 

https://uk.usembassy.gov/visas/visa-waiver-program/additional-requirements/

 

The VWP states clearly that in the event of an arrest or conviction, a visa must be applied for. I don't think this applies to the OP based on what they have stated in their posts, but for anyone who was applying for a visa, I'd declare in detail any event if at all unsure if it should be mentioned. They are likely to issue a visa with even a minor conviction, so even (for sake of discussion) if the OP had been arrested it wouldn't stop a visa being issued. Not declaring something minor that they later find out about would likely lead to refusal / revocation of the visa. (A minor issue becomes a major issue if they feel a false declaration has been made to secure a visa).

 

So, for the OP I'd suggest:

If you weren't given an FPN, didn't sign a formal caution at the police station, and the police didn't tell you you were under arrest (with the "You are not obliged to say anything but it may harm your defence ......" warning : Apply for an ESTA, and use the VWP

 

If any of the features above apply and you can't apply for an ESTA, apply for a visa. If applying for a visa mention anything you are at all unsure if you need to mention it : you can mention it and let them decide it doesn't matter & then it can't later 'come back to haunt you' on your application.

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I really have no idea about police procedures.

 

 

However,

I was most definitely not arrested or taken to the Police station.

I have also not signed any paper so far.

 

 

The policeman said if you do this again, you'll will be a very serious trouble.

Then asked me to make the donation and I offered to get the money from the ATM but he said I need not do that especially for it but give it when I go to get fuel the next time.

He said he may call but hasn't so far.

So, I don't really know what happened.

 

The question about conviction and arrest asked on ESTA is fine but the more I get into details I am getting more and more confused.

 

 

Read something about 'moral turpitude'.

Don't understand if one declares only if arrested or convicted or also if one has committed such an act whether or not one has been arrested or convicted.

 

Do you suppose I will have a criminal record?

If I avoid ESTA and seek a visa, my husband is bound to ask why I was doing it.

What a mess have I got myself in.

 

I am feeling so scared and down that I might have ruined my life completely.

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moral turpitude?

Are you a working prostitute or drugs dealer?

If not then nothing will pop out.

 

 

People arrested but released without charge for minor drugs offences get kicked out of the US.

 

 

Shoplifters dont have such problems

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Are you suggesting the OP not use the visa-waiver programme (VWP), and instead apply for a visa?.

 

I think the OP should be able to apply for an ESTA and use the VWP if they weren't arrested by the police, and weren't given an FPN.

They haven't been given a formal caution (the type where they admit their guilt, signing a document stating this, at the police station).

They haven't received a FPN.

So, if the police officer didn't arrest them, the OP can apply for an ESTA, answering the questions truthfully.

 

https://uk.usembassy.gov/visas/visa-waiver-program/additional-requirements/

 

The VWP states clearly that in the event of an arrest or conviction, a visa must be applied for. I don't think this applies to the OP based on what they have stated in their posts, but for anyone who was applying for a visa, I'd declare in detail any event if at all unsure if it should be mentioned. They are likely to issue a visa with even a minor conviction, so even (for sake of discussion) if the OP had been arrested it wouldn't stop a visa being issued. Not declaring something minor that they later find out about would likely lead to refusal / revocation of the visa. (A minor issue becomes a major issue if they feel a false declaration has been made to secure a visa).

 

So, for the OP I'd suggest:

If you weren't given an FPN, didn't sign a formal caution at the police station, and the police didn't tell you you were under arrest (with the "You are not obliged to say anything but it may harm your defence ......" warning : Apply for an ESTA, and use the VWP

 

If any of the features above apply and you can't apply for an ESTA, apply for a visa. If applying for a visa mention anything you are at all unsure if you need to mention it : you can mention it and let them decide it doesn't matter & then it can't later 'come back to haunt you' on your application.

 

Not suggesting anything. If he doesn't have a record then data is perfectly fine. Us authorities are only interested in large crimes. Not shoplifting.

 

I seriously wouldn't say anything about being arrested or being spoken to by the police on data form as it will then be guarantee refusal and you'll have to go to the US embassy and deal with them which can take up to 6 months.

 

Even if there's absolutely no trace of anything on your record, they will stick check it, charge you for it AND take their time doing it.

 

 

The op should be able to apply for an data without any issue whatsoever. In fact I'd apply for it now since it lasts 2 years.

 

As an example my neighbours ex boyfriend tried to break into her house in 2011 to attack her. She screamed, I went round and grabbed him. We started fighting, police were called. Both arrested. I was released without charge. 7 days later I applied for say a for 4 weeks in South Carolina. Didn't have a problem.with it.

 

 

The op hasn't even been arrested and it's a very minor crime which they've already dealt with. 99.99% sure they'll be perfectly fine.

 

 

If the op mentions it on data when there's absolutely no need then it's pretty much guarantees refusal and a trip to the embassy


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Ericsbrother and renegadeimp, thank you very much for your advice. A guilty and scared mind is getting me in too many knots.

I will always be grateful for the support and advice I have got here.

If I do not get any call from the PolIceman in the next few days. I will try the Esta. Will update how it goes.

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If I do not get any call from the PolIceman in the next few days. I will try the Esta. Will update how it goes.

 

 

Before applying for your Esta, it might be best to make a subject access request to see your criminal record, if they have anything on you; so if they have nothing on you, you should be ok to apply for your Esta, and it says all the hassle of being refused entry into the USA, all because of a criminal record

 

 

Details here https://www.gov.uk/copy-of-police-records

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its not criminal to be on DWP/RLP fake databases

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Today I have received a letter from DWFasking me to Pay £125 as Security costs within 7 days. The break up given is:

Value of goods stolen £0.00

Value of good damaged £0.00

Value of cash stolen £0.00

Security costs £125.00

Amount due now £125.00

There is also a sheet with frequently asked questions attached.

The DWF are solicitors. Any advice?

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not sure how many times various people has told you to totally ignore them already..

 

 

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Haven't got a call from the policeman yet

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Yes dx I know that I should ignore since the £125 security cost is just preposterous. Still got rattled as they say' we require payment of the outstanding balance during the next 7 days to avoid further action'. Surely it wouldn't have cost them all that much

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. Still got rattled as they say' we require payment of the outstanding balance during the next 7 days to avoid further action'. Surely it wouldn't have cost them all that much

 

What further action? More letters of course. That is all they can do. they cannot take court action. Only Tesco can do that except they won't.

 

If Tesco did sue for £125 they would have to justify the costs and they can't


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Agree. I am just going to ignore the letter. Also read on some threads that they call people at their homes. I didn't give my land line number to the Tesco guys (they didn't ask). It will be quite stressful if they call. But after taking advice from here and reading on this issue I am just going to ignore them.

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