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Hi,

 

I receive non-contributory ESA and also receive payments from previous self-employment (royalties etc.), so I still have to fill out a self-assessment form.

 

I had completed my self-assessment form already, on which I had stated I received £5,271.97 net profit from my self-employment.

 

Then I received a P60U form from the DSS stating I had been paid £9427.60 in ESA for the last tax year, £6069.71 of which was taxable.

 

When I phoned to check this, ESA didn't really know what they were talking about, so I phoned HMRC and they said that anything over my personal allowance of £11,000 is taxable (profit + benefit).

 

Now, £9427.60 + £5,271.97 = £14,699.57, so if you take £11,000 from that total, then that leaves £3,699.57. Surely that should be the taxable amount of benefit? Am I missing something? I can't see where they got the £6069.71 from. Am I being a moron?

 

Thanks for any help.

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Hello and welcome to CAG.

 

I'm not an expert, but over £9k in ESA in a tax year sounds huge. Is there a mistake in their figures?

 

Best, HB


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Thanks for the welcome. I don't know. I'm in the support group and get the severe disability premium as well. I get £373.80 every two weeks from ESA, so that's £9718.80 per year roughly.

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Hello again.

 

Thank you for the figures, I can see where the amount comes from now. I'll flag your thread for the site team because I think someone should be able to advise.

 

HB


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Thanks Honeybee :) Have a lovely evening and thanks for your help.

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It sounds as if some portion of your ESA is contributory and the rest of it is income related. Contributory ESA is taxable, income related ESA is not. Certainly the SDP is income related, and since you are in the Support Group you will receive the Enhanced Disability Premium as well which is also income related.

 

This seems to match up to your P60 - if you add up the SDP and EDP weekly amount, multiply by 52 and subtract it from the £9718, you'll probably get the taxable figure.

 

For your tax return, add together your self employment profit and the taxable amount only from the P60. If the total is more than £11,000, you pay tax on the difference at 20%.


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Thanks for your reply.

 

I asked ESA and they confirmed that NO portion of the ESA received was contributory.

 

Yes, I do get both premiums you mentioned. But what is this £6069.71 taxable benefit made up of?

 

I can't see where they got the £6069.71 since my benefits were £9427.60 and my profits were £5,271.97.

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Hi KB,

 

Calling the relevant agencies is not the best option - you need to write to them to get the answers you need.

 

Write to HMRC, and to DWP, separately asking them to confirm what amounts your received in the relevant year that were taxable, and non taxable.

 

Let us know how they reply.

 

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OK thank you. To be honest, I find most of their letters confusing and take ages to get a reply to. I think I will phone to check things out tomorrow, and if they can't explain it in a way I understand, then I will write to them.

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Phoning is a waste of time unless you record the calls.

 

The calls you made to DSS and HMRC as per your post #1 above were a complete waste of your time

 

They DO take a while to reply to letters and sometimes fail to reply at all. However, if this happens, you can complain to a specialist dep't who WILL reply to you.

 

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Broadly, I agree with slick132 above - writing is better. However, if you really want to phone, the specific question you need to ask is this: how has the DWP worked out how much of your ESA is taxable? If it's all income related, as they told you before, then none of it should be taxable.

 

It is the DWP which has provided that information and so at this stage there isn't much point in contacting HMRC. So the DWP should be your first point of contact.


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