UKPC windscreen ticket - ,The Mall Wood Green - enough errors to cancel? - ** RESOLVED **

[sparkeyrjp]

The sign

The PCN

To my untrained eye I see 2 errors on PCN ,and the relationship of the PCN to the sign.

 

On the PCN the reduced charge amount is obliterated by the miss alignment of the printing , so the driver would not know the correct amount to pay .

 

The sign shows a penalty amount of £90 reduced to £50 for early payment , whereas the PCN shows a penalty amount of £100 reduced to £?

 

Good enough cause for the PCN to be cancelled ?

What I have not shown is that as well as above, the phone numbers for enquiry or payment on the sign are totally different to those on the rear of the PCN .

 

The sign is on the outside of the loading bay at The Mall Wood Green , and the alleged parking offence is on a small area just outside of the bay ,obstruction being the “offence “ although nothing or foot way was being obstructed , no observation tine was given , and the alleged offence occurred whilst the driver was getting a permit from his place of work and taking it to the security office

[renegadeimp]

Theres many more things wrong with the PCN and that sign than that.

[ericsbrother]

as this is a ticket slapped on your vehicle

do not respond to it at all

but wait for the Notice to Keepr to be sent through the post,

which should arrive between 29 and 56 days after the date of the event.

 

One reason for not responding is we are not sure if UKPC is actually allowed to be trading at the moment so any monies sent wouldnt belong to them anyway but their creditors (HMRC)

 

As for the demand,

it isnt actually a lawful one when regarding the offer, formation and breach of a contract

so again, no need to hurry in telling them where to go, make them compound their errors ay their own expense.

 

 

As for the rest of their sigange and even detail on the ticket,

it is in breach of the trade associations codes of practice

( well, if you are going to behave in a crooked manner you may as well go the whole hog)

so more grist for the ill when it comes to giving them a slap.

 

ignore for the moment and tell us when you hear from them again and we will advise what to say next

[sparkeyrjp]

Thank you for the quick replies , I will sit on it for time being , and get back when NTK arrives

[sparkeyrjp]

Could you elaborate on your replies,need to understand back story.re HMRC

Edit,the power of google,answered my question,so more relaxed

[ericsbrother]

UKPC were threatened with being struck off the register of companies because they didnt pay their taxes.

 

That means that if that stands they cant sue you and any real debt goes to HMRC, not the company .

As of UKPC would hand it over when they have swindled over a hundred grand from the taxman.

 

However there are other dormant companies owned by the same person with very similar names such as UK Parking controlS Ltd and the more cynical of us think that they wont bother asking their clients for new contracts in the newco name just carry on their tricks and adjust the paperwork and tell lies to anyone who queries it

[sparkeyrjp]

Ok then , NTK Received , whilst I was on holiday only returned today 29th

Issued 10/07/17

date of parking 07/06/17

Again the charge amount is £100 , which differs to the £90 On the sign

[renegadeimp]

Can you scan up the NTK please.

[sparkeyrjp]

Excuse my poor computer knowledge , I am used to using photobucket to link pics , now my acc is on the point of being frozen , I have converted the NYK to a pdf , what is the next step in linking it to a post , Cheers

[renegadeimp]

click the word upload and follow the prompts.

 

Make sure you edit out all personal info and reference numbers first.

[sparkeyrjp]

Hopefully this is it

Wood Gr PCN.pdf

[sparkeyrjp]

I have 42 days to respond to the NTK , about half of that period has now gone .

 

I would appreciate it if one of you experts would guide me to the next stage, following the initial comments regarding UKPS

 

, I really do not want to make a mess of rejecting this PCN ,

 

Going to their web page they even present a picture of the sign I have pictured as” evidence “

 

Thanks

[lookinforinfo]

Whether you do something or nothing the result is the same. Even a poor defence in Court would have their case thrown out. That is assuming that UKPC are still in business further down the line. And your permit to park overrides any ticket that UKPC could issue anyway.

[renegadeimp]

I have 42 days to respond to the NTK , about half of that period has now gone .

I would appreciate it if one of you experts would guide me to the next stage, following the initial comments regarding UKPS , I really do not want to make a mess of rejecting this PCN , Going to their web page they even present a picture of the sign I have pictured as” evidence “

 

Thanks

 

You dont need to follow their silly timelines at all. They will reject whatever appeal you put in anyway.

[Waywardism]

I would just ignore them if you're the keeper.

 

I've dealt with these clowns a number of times after they slapped tickets on my company vehicle, not being the keeper I had to take the initiative or else risk my employers paying them and then taking it out of my wages. A fight I'd rather avoid.

 

Anyway it's always the same, as the last poster said they will reject any sort of appeal you make. Even if you explicitly state that you're not appealing, simply informing them of your refusal to pay, they'll still reply saying your appeal has been denied. Then periodically they'll send letters demanding payment, threatening court action, kindly informing you how much more expensive court action will be for you. This will go on for a couple of years until their algorithm says you're not a payer. Then they're gone.

[renegadeimp]

bad advice above. Never ignore a PPC. Its etter to challenge them and make them pay.

[ericsbrother]

My advice is to let them do the chasing and spend their money, not yours. This is not the same as ignoring them, you are going to keep every bit of correspondence safe and if they start texting youthen you keep those as well and report them to the ICO and your network provider. It is true they will reject your appeal and the BPA wont consider your appeal as it is outside their remit. You will probably get beging letters from dca's (read up on them) but any court action would be doomed to fail so If you get a letter that looks like aLetter Before action under civil procedures protocols then you respond pointing out that their signage is not a contract but prohibitive, their NTD is faulty as no such contractual condition exists, the amount claimed is greater then thwe amoutn demanded by the rubbish signage etc and pint out that as they now know this any claim will be vaxatious and a costs order sought.

Ultimately they may decide to continue but rarely do now as they have seen enough courts recently

[sparkeyrjp]

Update

CANCELLED !!

Sent a bullet point response to the NTK and PCN on the lines of my initial post .

Nice grovelling reply promising staff training . and cancelling PCN

 

 

 

I only did this as I want rid of problem , I finished my response by in effect. telling them to put up or shut up

[renegadeimp]

great job. COngrats and thankyou for the update.

 

Youre also now well informed to deal with other PCN's you may get and your update will help others combat their PCN's as well.

[ericsbrother]

pleased for you, they are clearly tired of losing money where it is clear the person is prepared to put up a fight. ECP used to bottle it when you told them they were wrong but they have hardened their attitude recently Perhaps they see that the money for parking is less than they would get with a spurious court claim so they prefer the latter.

[honeybee13]

Hi sparkey and well done from me too. I've amended your thread title to show the result - thank you for letting us know.

 

HB

Edited August 17, 2017 by honeybee13
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