London attack: Fatalities after vehicle and stabbing incidents

[stu007]

London attack: Fatalities after vehicle and stabbing incidents

 

More than one person has died in a "terrorist" incident in central London which is still ongoing, police have said.

 

Armed officers and ambulances were alerted to reports a van hit people on London Bridge shortly after 22:00 BST.

 

Police later went to nearby Borough Market where they were responding to reports of stabbings in the area which is known for its restaurants and bars.

 

Prime Minister Theresa May described the incidents as "dreadful events".

 

The Metropolitan Police tweeted: "At 0025hrs 4/6/17 the incidents at #LondonBridge & #BoroughMarket were declared as terrorist incidents."

 

READ MORE HERE: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40146916

[Tawnyowl]

Speechless,Shocked.I only knew about this after turning on just now,to the Forums.

The Attack in London, United Kingdom

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[unclebulgaria67]

Horrible!

 

People do need to be more aware of what is going on around them. Don't presume that this is only a possible event in a big city like London or Manchester.

 

Don't drink alcohol to a level where you become less aware and cannot react quickly to remove yourself from a threat. Make sure you let people know where you are going out to, so they know your location. Saves them being worried that you might have been where an attack took place and might mean fewer unnecessary enquiries to Police.

 

Enjoy yourselves responsibly and live normally, so these people who carry out these attacks don't restrict our freedoms. But take sensible precautions.

 

People with children and grandchildren who go for evenings out to City/town centres should talk to them about this.

[snowdragon]

Absolutely atrocious , heard this last night and now watching the news, 6 killed and 48 in hospital atm, there was a quick mention that they might cancel the election due to all what is happening and security to be tightened up

[determindator]

The murderers of interest iro 20,000 we are told.

[snowdragon]

now 7 dead

[Guest Mrs Hobbit]

The first I knew of this was from my emails overseas, telling me that they are thinking of me and asking if I was alright, thinking back to two months ago. I got the OH to turn on th TV to see it has happened again only on another bridge, the same that happened to us that day. I will not let this **** dictate how I live.

 

I have posted on FB page how I feel and what I think should be done.....the bleeding heart liberals have had it their own way for two long.

[king12345]

Let them roam our streets, let them be free to do whatever they want, they have human rights too, we can't control their whereabouts 24/7...

All a lot of b@llox if you ask me.

These terrorists are all known to the police , mi5 and mi6, but we can't upset them because otherwise 1% of the population gets upset.

Check their movement, emails, telephone calls, conversations, bug their houses, cars, mobile phones, the full work and as soon as they say anything remotely against the "infidels" lock them up in isolation for 10 years or even better.

That's how you destroy terrorism, not by doing nothing or worse, making a few arrests after the attacks.

We are truly a bunch of gutless sheep.

Edited June 5, 2017 by Andyorch
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[determindator]

We hear again at least one had been reported. What's going on if you're information is not being followed up!!

[determindator]

We hear again at least one had been reported. What's going on if you're information is not being followed up!!

 

should read, your information.

[GrumpyToSayTheLeast]

Let them roam our streets, let them be free to do whatever they want, they have human rights too, we can't control their whereabouts 24/7...

All a lot of b@llox if you ask me.

These terrorists are all known to the police , mi5 and mi6, but we can't upset them because otherwise 1% of the population gets upset.

Check their movement, emails, telephone calls, conversations, bug their houses, cars, mobile phones, the full work and as soon as they say anything remotely against the "infidels" lock them up in isolation for 10 years or even better.

That's how you destroy terrorism, not by doing nothing or worse, making a few arrests after the attacks.

We are truly a bunch of gutless sheep.

 

Are you running for PM and do you guarantee to implement that if you win?

If so, you have my vote.

[king12345]

Are you running for PM and do you guarantee to implement that if you win?

If so, you have my vote.

 

The main parties won't even consider my affiliation because apparently trying to defend 99.9% of the population is racist, let alone running for a position...

Gutless sheep, I think I couldn't have found better words

[Guest Mrs Hobbit]

Australia used to have 'A White Australia Policy' A politician named Arthur Caldwell, got up in parliament and stated Two Wongs will never make a White. he was howled down because of his beliefs. now there are areas in some of Australia's cities no white will venture into into, these places have become ghettos of the same nationalities, Chinese, Vietnamese, Lebanese and so om. The suburb where I was raised became a no go area for anyone of Anglo ancestry. it is the same here in parts of Great Britain. How dis happen? These people never had to integrate with the rest of the population. I am not saying the old policy of Australia was right, but back then, if were an immigrant from Europe or any where else, you had to integrate, you had to speak English and you had to learn and follow the ways of Australians...is so wrong to ask this of anyone who goes to live in another country?

 

if you wish to live in Israel or other places, you have to learn the language, you have to integrate. Oh and you don't any benefits until you earn the right to entitlement for these.

 

I am one very angry, upset person because this is NOT the United Kingdom I learnt about. I have lived here for 19 years and it has become worse. I never thought I was racist, I am not bigoted. but I am now questioning my beliefs and asking have I been wrong in thinking and teaching my children Live and let live?

[king12345]

Australia used to have 'A White Australia Policy' A politician named Arthur Caldwell, got up in parliament and stated Two Wongs will never make a White. he was howled down because of his beliefs. now there are areas in some of Australia's cities no white will venture into into, these places have become ghettos of the same nationalities, Chinese, Vietnamese, Lebanese and so om. The suburb where I was raised became a no go area for anyone of Anglo ancestry. it is the same here in parts of Great Britain. How dis happen? These people never had to integrate with the rest of the population. I am not saying the old policy of Australia was right, but back then, if were an immigrant from Europe or any where else, you had to integrate, you had to speak English and you had to learn and follow the ways of Australians...is so wrong to ask this of anyone who goes to live in another country?

 

if you wish to live in Israel or other places, you have to learn the language, you have to integrate. Oh and you don't any benefits until you earn the right to entitlement for these.

 

I am one very angry, upset person because this is NOT the United Kingdom I learnt about. I have lived here for 19 years and it has become worse. I never thought I was racist, I am not bigoted. but I am now questioning my beliefs and asking have I been wrong in thinking and teaching my children Live and let live?

 

You're right in saying that a lot of people don't integrate, but the same people are not terrorists.

So I couldn't care less what colour or religion people are, but if they cause trouble they should be dealt with immediately and definitely.

[Guest Mrs Hobbit]

I agree, but if there was integration perhaps there might be less opportunity for radicalization. I am also not saying because people haven't integrated they are terrorists.

[tobyjugg2]

Lack of integration is undoubtedly a (probably THE) big issue, but another issue is the greater focus on spying on all the UK citizens while cutting proper policing.

 

Rudd is again coming out with rhetoric that its the libdems fault for NOT supporting the Torys in even MORE spying on law abiding UK citizens for any purpose (which has clearly failed) with NO judicial requirements or oversight..

 

A few might be happy with some distant system/Uk/US spooks scanning everything you say or do looking for 'key words' or occasionally tracking down dead terrorists prior movements after atrocities have been committed, while they cut the real and needed community policing who could actually evaluate the reports made by the communities about these radicals in advance of atrocities,

but I'm certainly not.

 

Having said all that the impressive 8 minute response of the armed police should be applauded and commended.

 

and May suppresses report into terrorist funding:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/05/theresa-may-urged-not-to-suppress-report-into-funding-of-jihadi-groups

[Guest Mrs Hobbit]

The police response was fantastic. They deserve a kudos. They were on standby oin the Met and responded accordingly.

[cjcregg]

Lack of integration is undoubtedly a (probably THE) big issue

 

It's not integration that's the issue but de-integration. The Manchester bomber was integrated. He was born and went to school & university here but somewhere along the line was radicalised.

[tobyjugg2]

It's not integration that's the issue but de-integration. The Manchester bomber was integrated. He was born and went to school & university here but somewhere along the line was radicalised.

 

To some extent that is true cjcregg,

but was his 'home' area a multi cultural area or one of the so called mini xxx areas?

 

replace xxx with Muslim, china, pakistan, Bulgaria etc

 

Was he integrated, or always an outsider even if 'wearing a mask'.

 

 

 

Which beggars the question:

Is it a cultural thing? or a psychological profile thing?

 

As scientology or KKK or radical right wing 'Christians' is just as insidious (IMO).

 

All these areas or groups which require you to abdicate your decisions (and hence personal responsibility) to a 'higher' authority.

and yes, society also expects this to some degree, which leads into the 'superior orders' debate.

 

IMO there is NO higher responsibility than to your own conscience. So that is where we should be looking for answers.

[citizenB]

Cut the amount of media attention these people get.... they are murderers - if you give their actions any kind of ideological input they will feel justified, or their followers will.

[tobyjugg2]

Cut the amount of media attention these people get.... they are murderers - if you give their actions any kind of ideological input they will feel justified, or their followers will.

 

I think its more the way the media are reporting them.

 

These events need to be reported in an open and honest society, and people need to be aware of the dangers.

[king12345]

Make them disappear.

Mi5 knows who they are and has got ways to do that.

Public safety is paramount.

[tobyjugg2]

Make them disappear.

Mi5 knows who they are and has got ways to do that.

 

Public safety is paramount.

 

No it isnt - our culture and society is.

or YOU could be the next one to 'just disappear'

 

and the rest of us finding ourselves living in a clone of North Korea

[tobyjugg2]

Even the NYT says:

 

LONDON — British police and security services already have some of the most powerful surveillance laws in the world, with weak judicial oversight and little criticism on privacy issues from a public that generally trusts its government

 

and Civil Service.Surveillance cameras are everywhere, especially in cities, and there are relatively few restrictions on the mass collection of telephone and internet data by the government.

 

All of which raises the uncomfortable question of what more can be done to prevent the kind of terrorist attack that killed seven people in central London over the weekend?

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/05/world/europe/london-attack-uk-election.html?te=1&nl=morning-briefing-europe&emc=edit_mbe_20170606

[cjcregg]

Even the NYT says:

 

LONDON — British police and security services already have some of the most powerful surveillance laws in the world, with weak judicial oversight and little criticism on privacy issues from a public that generally trusts its government

 

and Civil Service.Surveillance cameras are everywhere, especially in cities, and there are relatively few restrictions on the mass collection of telephone and internet data by the government.

 

All of which raises the uncomfortable question of what more can be done to prevent the kind of terrorist attack that killed seven people in central London over the weekend?

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/05/world/europe/london-attack-uk-election.html?te=1&nl=morning-briefing-europe&emc=edit_mbe_20170606

 

It's a bit rich of the New York Times to bleat about us having ''little criticism on privacy issues'' when the UK had to complain to the US Government about NYT publishing leaked police photos of the Manchester bomb, potentially compromising a serious criminal investigation.