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    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
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    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
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If your sure it only states that the claimant disclose and submit witness statement and not parties.....then that must be correct given that a trial date has yet to be set.Its just strange that only the claimant submit by 27th July and you the defendant do nothing.

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ah yes I forget it was enclosed with the witness statement.....this is very good for you as the court is testing the claimant before giving you directions to see if they could disclose the documents requested.

 

So now we need to scrutinise their documents in particular the defaults and last payments.

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Hi Andy and co,

resurrecting this post as I have received a trial date and request to submit my own evidence now.

 

I have none of the original paperwork for the vanquis account,

nor any documentation sent by Lowells,

other than that to do with this court case.

 

The only thing I hold electronically is a copy of the last letter I sent to vanquis with the last payment of £1, as noted on the account statement on 08.04.2011.

 

I can submit this and a witness statement. I am determined to fight this,

 

I would really appreciate any advice that can be given on what to include in my witness statement and any additional supporting information.

 

I am doing as much research as I can in the background.

 

Thanks in advance

TP

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Same stage on the following thread.......your evidence is also any CCA/CPR requests and responses and anything you wish to rely on and refer to either in your defence or witness statement.

 

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?477490-Lowell-claimform-old-Creation-Finance-loan-debt/page4

 

Regards

 

Andy

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Plenty on here at the same stage...take your time on this as this is vital to defending a claim.

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  • 4 weeks later...

UPDATE

 

Hi, I thought I would update interested parties on progress of my case. I submitted my defence as requested and on time. I called the court today as I had not heard anything subsequently and they confirmed that Lowell paid the trial fee on time so the hearing is going ahead on 6th November.

 

I am still amazed that Lowell intend to push this case based on the cause of action being the date the default notice took effect rather than my last correspondence/payment with the original creditor, and yet they have failed to provide the evidence to support this (other than a poorly photocopied template default notice with generic data).

 

My defence drew the judge's attention to this and to the fact that vanquis t&cs did not (and do not now) include any terms regarding default terms, or default periods.

 

However I am going to court. I am in no position to afford legal representation for this case so will have to represent myself.

 

At this stage I would appreciate any pointers in terms of research I need to do beforehand or access to free legal advice/representation. Also if anyone has experience of what I can expect on the day that would also be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks as always

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Have you submitted your evidence (Witness statement and disclosures) ?

 

Post a copy of your WS here for checking

 

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Thanks for reply Andy, yes evidence submitted to court and OP.

 

Comprised WS and exhibits, which included a copy of my last ever correspondence with Vanquis,

and return copies of Lowells evidence with notes,

these being the incomplete T&Cs from Vanquis,

and the poor copy of template default notice,

along with copies of Section 5 Limitation Act 1980 and Section 87(1) of CCA 1974.

 

I have attached my WS and the copy letter as this is the only new information.

 

Grateful for feedback and your time

Thanks

TP

CCCS Letter to Vanquis March 2011 data removed.pdf

Witness Statement Lowells 21.09.17 Data Removed.pdf

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nice WS.

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thank you. I don't mind admitting I spent a long time researching and composing that.

 

I will look in more depth at CCA and Limitation act and examples of cases and law regarding statute barred debt.

 

I am OK at presenting/defending myself however I want to be as prepared as possible.

 

Any pointers you can offer on research much appreciated.

 

TP

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UPDATE

 

I just thought I would update on this case.

I defended myself in court today - AND WON!

 

The judge dismissed the case for lack of evidence

- the original default notice was never provided.

 

I've got to say it was one of the most nerve wracking things I have ever done.

The representative from Lowel's tried to talk to me before the hearing and I summarily dismissed her

- I knew from reading on here that is one of their tactics.

 

I have some advice for anyone else in this position.

Do your homework.

 

The judge was impressed at my witness statement,

my knowledge of dates and details of the case, and my knowledge of the Limitation Act.

 

The OP tried to insist that the case was subject to section 6 not section 5

but in either case it relies on a default notice

and as such they shot themselves in the foot trying to take me to court on this basis

and then not provide the key evidence.

 

Also have courage.

I corrected the Judge on a point

- she insisted that the lack of default terms or defined default period was of benefit to me as in it allowed for the credit agreement to keep rolling,

however I told her that in fact it was clearly to the benefit of the original creditor as they had applied some £600 of charges to my account before serving the imaginary default notice.

 

When the OP tried to blame the Christmas post for the lack of evidence,

I was able to quickly assert that in their letter from last May they had clearly stated their case relied on the default period and as such the Claimant had had plenty of time to provide the evidence.

 

I am satisfied at the outcome and my intention is now to report Lowel to the FCA for their tactics and breaches of regulations.

 

Many many thanks to all that helped me on this brilliant forum.

I shall be donating and I am happy to offer any advice or talk through my experiences if it helps anyone else face up to these low life.

 

TP (smiling)

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well done

shows the importance of reading here and not just being spoon-fed.

 

FSA became the FCA:madgrin:

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Excellent twopennies

 

Thread title amended to reflect the outcome.

 

Regards

 

Andy

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Excellent. Definitely report Lowell.

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Hi, I know this case is over and done but I thought some might be interested to know the latest in my battle against Lowell.

 

I submitted two subject access requests, one to Lowel Portfolio I and one to Lowel Solicitors, and sent a scorching official complaint letter to Lowell.

I also contacted the Financial Ombudsman and the FCA.

 

Lowell have sent reams of paper in response to SAR but most of it is copies of information I already have.

Notably missing is any sniff of a default notice (the basis for their entire claim against me).

 

Lowel have failed to respond to my complaint and it is now over 8 weeks since it was lodged and the ombudsman is now contacting them to ascertain if they 'made a mistake' in their action against me.

 

I hope to have a copy of the transcript of the court hearing in next week or so.

 

I will update as and when I get news.

Any questions please fire away

TP

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What are you trying to achieve..the claim was dismissed ? A creditor is not required to retain a hard copy of the default notice...as long as they can prove one was issued via their internal audit systems..that satisfies the CCA1974.

 

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Just picking up a point on this - merely to clear it up in my own mind.

 

Would the cause of action not actually be 2009?

This being when the agreement was breached, and not subsequently remedied - therefore they had the right under the agreement at that point to issue a Default Notice and then commence recovery (through the courts, if necessary).

 

Last acknowledgement came later (April 2011) in the form of the £1 token payment, but to my mind, this does not represent a cause of action.

 

Thoughts?

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi Andy,

 

Thanks for reply and good question. I wanted them to be held accountable for their actions, in the first instance. Wasting my time, the court's time, and in essence, bullying me into paying a debt that was SB by threatening court action. Most people would capitulate to their threats and end up paying and this is what frustrates the hell out of me. They shouldn't get away with this sort of behaviour. At the point that they KNEW there was no evidence of a default notice (in spite it being arguable that this was when date of accrual began), they should've stopped their course of action (this being May 2017).

 

It may be futile trying to take on this company but I still felt compelled to speak out about their behaviour.

 

I have now received a response to my complaint from Lowell. They have upheld my complaint, and have apologised for 'the trouble and upset' that the matter has caused and offered me a nominal sum by way of compensation. They are claiming they upheld the directions from the court but admit that they knew in May 2017 that a poorly copied template was all they had by way of the default notice. I am pondering what to do with this at the moment. My gut feeling is that if pursuing money is my goal then I could probably wring a bit more out of them, but since this isn't my goal, then for my own sanity I probably need to let this drop now as I have other things that need my energy and attention. Taking on the ethics of the debt collection industry can wait for another day!

 

TP

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Pleased you have got something out of them....:-)

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