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    • Hi Tawnyowl here,i have been watching events over the last week or so as things develop. Labrat,such a sense of humour.😀 Hi honeybee13 . Sure does     Anti-fracking campaigners have reacted with concern to news that the British Geological Survey (BGS) signed a non-disclosure agreement with Cuadrilla over access to operational data. https://drillordrop.com/2019/08/24/suspicion-over-fracking-firms-secret-deal-with-geological-agency/   Cuadrilla has been accused of trying to downplay last night’s 1.6ML earth tremor caused by its fracking operation near Blackpool. The tremor, at 8.46pm, was the largest so far recorded at the Preston New Road site since fracking began there in October 2018. https://drillordrop.com/2019/08/22/living-in-fear-residents-respond-to-1-6ml-fracking-tremor/ Energy firm Cuadrilla said a 2.23-magnitude tremor was recorded at its facility near Blackpool at 11.01pm on Saturday – the third “micro seismic event” this week. While some local residents may have felt the movement, it was not strong enough to have caused any damage to property, the firm added.  Do you believe anything this company says. Like their so called micro seismic events you would think damage could have been caused to properties. Once buildings start shaking this must happen surely. I was approached this afternoon while at a cricket match. Just chatting way about this and that when the person said Did you feel the Earthquake last night. I had not even heard about it,tell me more i said. Lights and windows shaking moving around about a mile away on one of the North of Englands largest housing estates. And there are reports of many more people feeling this event covered on this link. Why should a community be put through this,waiting for the next one. People living around Cuadrilla’s shale gas site reported shaking buildings and windows last night from a 2.1ML tremor. This is the strongest seismic event so far induced by fracking at the Preston New Road site near Blackpool. It brings to more than 90 the number of tremors since fracking resumed at the site less than a fortnight ago. Within minutes of the tremor, there were reports that people had felt it from surroundings towns and villages including Blackpool, Weeton, Westby, Peel, Kirkham, Wrea Green, Great Plumpton and Lytham St Annes. Much more on the link. https://drillordrop.com/2019/08/25/call-for-fracking-ban-after-2-1ml-tremor-shakes-buildings-around-cuadrilla-shale-gas-site/   You might notice that the BGS has a page now for human activity causing Eartquakes-link Last updated: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 18:10:00 (UTC) This list contains seismic events for which there is strong evidence that they have been induced by human activities. It is linked to a database of seismic events and locations and magnitudes may change as events are re-analysed and revised. Background, tectonic seismic activity is reported on our recent earthquakes list. http://earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/induced/recent_uk_events.html   I had better leave it there for now, more soon.,how will it all end because surely it will. Things cannot carry on much longer like this,can they? Bye for now. Tawnyowl writing from the Earthquake centre of Great Britain courtesy of Cuadrilla Fracking.
    • happy for mod to move it to suitable location under thread title Background: Thanks in advance for any thoughts you can share. This is a very long history, I appreciate your time. In 2011 I took out a £8500. loan from Borro private finance against art and jewellery to make ends meet. The agreements are attached below. This is a CCA. Borro regulated by the FCA. The interest rate is APR 68.8  % for 6 months.  I paid the interest and capital during the period term. On 3 May 2012  I renewed this loan at 79.4% interest for another 6 months.  Last week I requested all evidence the lender holds concerning the agreements. Missing are 03/05/2012 through 14/06 2013.( not under a SAR).  I fell into arrears on the loan and one piece of jewellery was sold, reducing the balance to £6400. Dec 2014.   The lender took a payment of interest £2044.16.  Renewed against the other items ( art etc) on this loan.  The new interest rate increased to 88.8%  . At the time the ring was sold, I requested all documents concerning the sale. Borro produced none. The ring is appraised at $17,5000.  £14,000.  The ring was sold for £3500.  I have an appraisal. I was notified prior to the sale. The ring was sold by "private treaty". I continued to ask for information about this sale until todays date. No information has been provided.  I took a huge loss . The ring is not clearly described on the inventory compared to the appraisal. Documents missing from Borro response to my request include 25/10/2014 to 10/04/2015. I was in arrears on this loan and a new agreement was made. The loan amount was increased to £10,810.00 and the interest rate decreased to  80%.  what is interesting is that the lender should have sold this ring, the value was sufficient to pay off my debts. But that is not what happened. someone got a deal on a nice ring.  II. ON 1, Jan 2012, I took out a second loan in the amount of £3000 against another piece of Jewellery. The interest was 68.8%. I paid the P&I on this loan.    Missing from the requested information is agreement from July 10/2012 until 12/12/2012.  I did pay interest during that period and on 12/12/2012 through 11/06/2013 I renewed  with an interest rate for 79.4 %.  I renewed on 04/07/2013 through 03/06/2014 interest rate 97.8%.  I renewed this loan on 03/01/2014 interest rate was 88.8. Take note there is very little description about this item. I redeemed the loan but ended up back in the pawn. 19/06/2014 to 18/12/2014 interest eat 94.5%. I renewed this loan again 19/03/2015 . Interest rate was 93.2%. Now there is a clearer description of the ring. Documents missing from Borro response to my request include 012/06/2013 to /10/2014 to 10/04/2015. Information on the  description is also scant until I took the loan out again in 2014. The last payment on either loan was March 2015. Default date was September 2015. The lender still has my property.   PROBLEM: In 2013, Borro became aware that the reason I had pawned these items was that I was a plaintiff in a substantial lawsuit in the US. I borrowed because I had lost my job. I was not able to work( I had been FCA regulated). I was facing eviction, had serious financial stability  and some mental health problems. I gave them a copy of the pleadings. They are aware that I had claimed these loans as part of my damages.  In 2015, Periodically I requested the accounting. Some was provided some was not. As a result, in  2016, the head of credit wrote to me " "Thank you for coming in to see me today. As discussed, we will freeze your accounts with us from today the 14th October 2016 until the 31st of December 2016. This will mean that no further interest will accrue until the 31st December 2016 and we will not consign to sale until on or after the 31st December 2016."  I did not hear from them again until  08 February 2017. On 30/03/2017 I responded to Borro request that I give them an update on the accounts. I wrote that I needed a settlement figure.  No response the following week I personally met with the manager I had been dealing with. She told me that " we are not going to sell your property". We understand that you have fallen on hard times, we are human. How long will it take you to sort this out. I responded about 2 months."   I did not hear from Borro again until I wrote to them on 18/03/2019 where I stated, " the last time we met you were going to give me a settlement figure". There was no response. As a result, on  18 March 2019 I sent  an email to - Subject: RE: Borro Accounts. Dear Lender. Hello. The last time we met, you were going to give me a settlement figure. Litigation is still ongoing. We have a potential investor that has asked me to get a figure from you. Depending on that number, I can let you know if I can pay the bill and collect my things in the next few weeks. Please get in touch as soon as possible". no response.   In early July 2019 I received a call from someone at Borro. It was not a good time. I asked him to call me back the following week. I did not hear from him again either. On  6 august 2019 I received an email from Borro that I should log into my account. I was unable to. The following week I wrote to them and in summary: On 13/08/2019 I wrote and included a summary of the events: I am writing to advise you that I am obtaining advice concerning the  account. You are aware that you have not pursued any further action on this account since approximately 2014(or earlier) . This is because I had an agreement with Name Deleted that Borro was not “going to sell my property,  I recited the above summary of events.   Certainly, I had no intention to give up valuable property for almost 8 years and pay interest and principal for this long. I want to develop a resolution to the matter between us. In order to achieve this, Please can you provide me with the following information which is attached in a spreadsheet: I need a very simple accounting and please answer the below: Any renewed loans where additional credit was extended through the re-appraisal of the assets ( ie using the asset as leverage) to extend further credit where the loan proceeds were applied to the loan for reinstatement purposes. What were the source of funds for the last payment made? Because I am seeking advice with a view towards finding a resolution, I would appreciate it if you could hold action on the above account for a period of at least 30 days to give me the time  I need to obtain advice. If you are adding interest or other charges to the account, I would be grateful if you would freeze these during this period so that my debt does not continue to increase. Please can you send me the enclosed spreadsheet and the documents you loaded into my account as soon as possible. This will enable me to obtain accurate advice. I will contact you again as soon as possible with further details of a  proposal to resolve the account. ( so far this lender has not complied with my request)   SETTLEMENT OFFER From: Borro Customer Service <Contact@borro.com> Sent: 14 August 2019 13:22 To: Subject: RE: Your Loan Account   Dear borrower. Thank you for your email and for getting in touch with Borro. As you would be aware there have been many loans with Borro, with two loans that remain outstanding which we are seeking to resolve with you. Given the significant period these have been overdue, the current balance on these two loans is almost £52,000 of which the majority is interest. In order for you to move on from this debt it is proposed to sell the collateral associated with Loan DIAMOND RING 175643 in full and final settlement and return all the items under Loan 198678 to you. This would generate a loss for Borro of approximately £49,000, however given your circumstance this is something we are prepared to offer. While I would love to pay Borro £3000. I do not currently have the funds. Borro is aware because I wrote to them on august 13 advising them i am not working. I do not want to lose my property. I need to find a way for them to walk away, give me my property back. WHAT ARE MY OPTIONS? Below are the questions I have or could raise in order to "negotiate with them". Is this a high interest short term loan? What are the effects of an CCA that has an interest rate of 93.6% and is renewed every six months? It appears that one loan was "Refinanced".  What FCA terms did they violate which might apply to this situation ? After the agreement expired and terms were changed, what rights does the PB have to collect further payments or sell the ring? Did they waive their rights to further payments? How can I use refusal to produce sale information concerning the first ring, to negotiate my way out of this? What is interesting is, they sold a £14,000 ring privately, concealed the buyer and other information, then turned around and INCREASED THE INDEBTEDNESS substantially. In fact they want to do this again, but this time are offering to  write off £49,000  in other interest. What am I missing? What effect does violations of FCA 6 and 7. help me to negotiate a settlement. Is the FOS effective threat to the firm to pressure a settlement? Does a cost cap apply to these loans and if yes what is the amount of the cap? How can I use the current appraisal and FCA or any other rules to stop them from selling the ring for less than market value? I have someone looking at the accounting to see if there are errors. found several when query. anything you can find that voids the agreements? Anything else you can think of THANK YOU!!!   RING.pdf art.pdf
    • I am so sorry I see the confusion now, I was meant to say CAB not CAG. They are just sending him letters to copy and send which doesn't seem helpful at all.    I also apologise for the vague details right now. I actually thought he had got rid of the car already until he mentioned it as he dropped me off home, so I've only got a vague idea myself, i just wanted to see if there was anything he could do other than send letters. I will get more details from him and update this thread, or get him to join as you have advised.  sorry 
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Hi there,

 

I have recently been contacted by the above company about an outstanding debt from my time in Aus, I left 5 years ago.

 

They have called and emailed (not sure how they got my details plus my name has changed). Below is the email from them, firstly I don't work, I am a stay at home mum and secondly, I just need any advice possible on what my course of action should be - any advice much appreciated.

 

'My office has made several attempts to contact you to discuss your outstanding Commonwealth Bank Personal Loan matter that has been assigned to my office. Your balance as of today currently stands at $xxxxx with interest continuing to compound daily at the contractual rate of 15.9%p.a.

 

For your reference, I have also attached the following documents:

1. A copy of the Notice of Assignment letter issued to your previous address confirming your matter has been assigned to our office.

2. A copy of the Final Notice letter issued to you today, outlining the current status of your matter.

 

Our investigations confirm you are now residing in the UK and are no longer in Australia. With this being said, I kindly request you contact our office to resolve your outstanding balance.

 

Unfortunately, if you do not make contact or if we are unable to resolve this matter with you, we will be transferring your matter to our UK agent, who will be instructed to make direct contact with you to recover and secure your balance. Please note, it is our preference to resolve your matter without the involvement of our overseas affiliates.

 

Should your matter be transferred to our UK agent, the full balance plus all interest charges & transfer costs will be due and payable immediately. However, should you be of a mind to contact us, I will happily discuss a commercial outcome to settle your legacy matter in Australia.

 

I look forward to hearing from you.

 

Kind regards,'

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In theory UK courts can enforce foreign debts like this, so you could end up with UK court judgement including costs.

 

Stevensdrake have taken Aussie debts to UK courts, but in the case i remember they don't want to handle small repayments over years or get into any argument. As soon as mediation was applied for, they discontinued the claim.

 

You mention having left Australia 5 years ago, but when did you last make a payment towards this debt ?

You don't have to respond at this stage. They might have traced you through UK credit reference searches, but it does not mean any actions will follow. They might continue to write, before handing to Stevensdrake. And Stevensdrake won't immediately issue a court claim.


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Thanks for responding, it's pretty scary, last payment was around 5years and 2 months ago.

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Ignore the fleecers...

 

Lots of like threads here about them already

 

They have no legal powers whatsoever

And are not bailiff's..


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Thanks for responding, it's pretty scary, last payment was around 5years and 2 months ago.

 

If they don't issue a UK court claim within 6 years, then it would be subject of statute of limitations and you could defend on that basis.

 

It is your choice as to how you handle it. But if you respond now, they will have hooked a fish and will then hassle you for a settlement. CCS have bought rights to this debt or now own it, so it is just how much they would accept to settle the debt. They might accept a much reduced offer say 20% of the debt value you left behind. You have to be careful if you are negotiating settlement, so do ask for advice if this is something you want to pursue. Or ignore and see how it goes. If Stevensdrake start writing to you, then come back for advice. You might be able yo spin this out, taking it beyond 6 years of the last payment.


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If they issue a UK court claim will this effect my UK credit score?

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If they issue a UK court claim will this effect my UK credit score?

 

If they gained a UK court judgement against you and it was added to your UK credit record, then yes it would affect you.

 

BUT you may never get to that stage or can obtain an agreement beforehand to avoid judgement.

 

If it were me, i think i would ignore it for now.


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Ok, thank you so much for taking the time to respond.

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They have called four times, the first was at 3.26am yesterday morning :shock:

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They have called four times, the first was at 3.26am yesterday morning :shock:

 

They go by Aus time, so its likely mid afternoon their time. ALso, it depends on their debt collection rules over there. Over her ein the UK, theres case law which can stop them in their tracks, but its case law on UK companies and collection


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They have called four times, the first was at 3.26am yesterday morning :shock:

 

You can complain to Aussie regulators, as phoning at these hours is not acceptable. They have upheld complaints about this before.

 

Keep a log to help with any complaint. If you kick up a sh1tstorm, it might save you £6k.


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Ok thanks, I have started logging.

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I don't know if this makes any difference but there is a Notice of Assessment attached that says they basically acquired the debt from another DCA and not direct from the financial institution

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I don't know if this makes any difference but there is a Notice of Assessment attached that says they basically acquired the debt from another DCA and not direct from the financial institution

 

Not really. If they issued a court claim via Stevendrake, part of your defence would be for CCS to prove ownership of the debt.


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Hi LM217,

 

I am in a similar situation to yours. Would you be able to advise on what the outcome was and the steps you took? Any advice appreciated.

 

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Hi LM217,

 

I am in a similar situation to yours. Would you be able to advise on what the outcome was and the steps you took? Any advice appreciated.

 

Thanks. G

 

Hiya, Gemma, sitting waiting for more contact from them (with s ball of dread in my stomach)

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Hiya, Gemma, sitting waiting for more contact from them (with s ball of dread in my stomach)

 

If you hear from Stevensdrake, it might be an idea to write back asking for copies of everything e.g finance agreement, default notice, statements of account, proof that CCS have bought or been assigned the account and are legally entitled to handle the account.

 

If it is the same as the UK, debt collectors like CCS won't have any of the paperwork and they might struggle to get the Aussie Bank to provide it.


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If you're lucky you will be in Scotland and under a statute barred debt is one that can no longer be collected by a creditor due to the elapsed time limit laid down in The Prescriptions and Limitation (Scotland) Act, 1973 after 5 years.

 

So they will be onto plums.

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doesn't work that way.

 

 

its where you were when you took out the credit.

 

 

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Sadly, if it is an Aussie debt the SB depends on which state or territory the debt was incurred. all are 6 years apart from the northern territory it is three years. if it is Court Judgement in all Sataes and territories it is 12 years. The credit agreement will mention which State jurisdiction the debt is incurred in.

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Have a look at this link 'Debt collection guideline for collectors & creditors'.

https://www.accc.gov.au/publications/debt-collection-guideline-for-collectors-creditors

 

If you download the PDF make sure and have a full read of it.

 

These pages may be of interest:

 

Page 12 of PDF - Hours of Contact.

 

Page 13 of PDF - Frequency of Contact

 

Page 45 - Commonwealth Consumer Protection Laws

 

Page 59 - State and territory Limitation of actions laws

 

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Hi there, these guys have just phoned my old work being really forceful trying to get my information - can they do that??

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They can try, but this information should not be given out, I can't be sure but wouldn't this come under employee confidentiality and the DPA?

 

I am sure if you tell your employer not details about yourself is to be given out to anyone. i would put in writing and hand the letter to them. Your employer must have some procedure in place to protect employee confidentiality. Is it old employer in Aust, or here?

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shows how underhand they are trying to be

if they were really owed the money

then they'd go straight to count.

 

 

id be complaining to the FCA under CON rules and the ICO under DRA if it continues.


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Yeah they never gave them anything thankfully. my old company in the UK, I only finished with them recently

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