Jump to content


  • Tweets

  • Posts

    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
    • Hello CAG Team, I'm adding the contents of the claim to this thread, but wanted to open the thread with an urgent question: Do I have to supply a WS for a claim with a court date that states " at the hearing the court will consider allocation and, time permitting, give an early neutral evaluation of the case" ? letter is an N24 General Form of Judgement or Order, if so, then I've messed up again. Court date 25 May 2024 The letter from court does not state (like the other claims I have) that I must provide WS within 28 days.. BUT I have recently received a WS from Link for it! making me think I do need to!??
  • Recommended Topics

  • Our picks

    • If you are buying a used car – you need to read this survival guide.
      • 1 reply
    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
      • 81 replies
    • Housing Association property flooding. https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/438641-housing-association-property-flooding/&do=findComment&comment=5124299
      • 161 replies
    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
        • Like
  • Recommended Topics

Refused to be sent a bill by Lowel


style="text-align: center;">  

Thread Locked

because no one has posted on it for the last 2660 days.

If you need to add something to this thread then

 

Please click the "Report " link

 

at the bottom of one of the posts.

 

If you want to post a new story then

Please

Start your own new thread

That way you will attract more attention to your story and get more visitors and more help 

 

Thanks

Recommended Posts

Hello everyone I hope your all having a good day,

 

 

I have been sent a few demands for payments in a letter from Lowell portfolio in regards to various debts they have acquired.

 

 

The letters are threats,

demanding for payments and are asking me to phone up and arrange a payment.

 

 

Today I rang Lowell ( I know, I know) and asked them for over an hour which I have recorded with their knowledge to send me a ''bill'' with a giro slip / cheque / remittance form so I can remedy the accounts

they have refused to send me a bill with the remittance / giro form on the bottom.

 

 

They have said they will send me some sort of acquisition letters and how much I am alleged to owe and their bank details to make payments to,

 

 

I have no idea if this is the same as a bill

but I'm sure its not and after an hour they have point blank refused to send out a ''bill'' so I can remedy via giro credit and said they will only send out an acquisition letter and I can only pay via credit card.

 

 

I told them that I can not pay a debt without first receiving a bill which in my world would only seem fair and that by refusing my payment offer and refusing my request to send me said bill they have now null and void my debts.

They said that they would still come for me for my debts and put the phone down.

 

 

I'm just wondering what to do now as I haven't got an actual bill to pay the debts just some dodgy threatening letters and they have refused to accept my offer of payment through giro bank credit.

 

 

I'm just wondering what to do now as I do really want the bill sending to remedy the accounts ,

do they have to send me a bill or is a demand letter or an acquisition letter classed as a ''Bill''.

 

 

By refusing my offer of remedy and refusing to send me out a proper bill have they just null and void my debts.

 

 

Any advise would be greatly appreciated on what to do next as I will not pay via card or debt.

Many Thanks

 

 

BB a4v

Link to post
Share on other sites

yea stop ringing them

 

 

they 'll tell you anything just to spoof you.

 

 

you need to know what these debts are and IF they are even enforceable!!

 

 

lowells are a debt buyer

they buy old consumer credit debts for peanuts

after the original creditors have written the debts of and sold them on.

 

 

THEY ARE NOT BAILIFFS

and have

NO SUCH LEGAL POWERS.

 

 

so if I were you id NOT be blindly paying or even THINKING of paying any powerless DCA until you confirm thedebt are even enforceable first.

 

 

go get you credit file.

 

 

see what shows.

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Many thanks Dx for your reply it is much appreciated.

 

 

My credit files show Three debts to the amount of £5k

all of which were placed into default a few months back

all assigned to Lowell so no statue barred yet.

 

 

I have paid them one debt which was cleared just before xmas and was subsequently removed,

 

 

I was paying them all my carers allowance of 63 per WEEK and they took it like no one business and didn't even care they took it ALL of me every week with out fail which is not going to happen again.

 

 

All I wanted was a Bill of them and they have refused to give it me ,

 

 

I have the recording if its any good,

just goes around the housing me asking for a bill to be sent ,

them saying we don't send bills.

Link to post
Share on other sites

They can't send you a bill because they are not the orginal creditor dealing with the account billing under the original terms you agreed to. They simply bought the debt as part of a bulk buying process and as the new debt owner, you owe them the debt.

 

But if you can tell us what these debts are, then you might get further advice on how to deal with them.

 

Type of debt, approx year you took out account with original creditor, approx. amount of debt owed and approx. date you last made any payment. Also any issues of dispute with original creditors.

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHERS

 

 Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group

 

If you want advice on your thread please PM me a link to your thread

Link to post
Share on other sites

Many Thanks for your reply Uncle,

I was unaware that these collections agency's who buy debt do not have to send out a ''bill'' I would of thought that any one asking for money from you would have to produce to you some sort of ''bill'' under some sort of law? but I'm probably way off,

 

 

however I did have a debt with Robinson way and they sent a proper ''bill'' with the giro credit slip at the bottom which was adjusted and a a4v was made and accepted without a PN.

 

 

Would it be possible to ask the original creditors to send this bill?

 

The debts are for two credit cards around £1500 for the two with Capital One and Luma, and Shop Direct around £1500

 

 

I do not dispute the debt as I have no reason to.

 

 

Can I show you my credit file would be easier?

Link to post
Share on other sites

In addition to the other posts, I'm very curious to know where you got this idea that by "refusing" to provide you with a bill, they have annulled all your debts?

Link to post
Share on other sites

In addition to the other posts, I'm very curious to know where you got this idea that by "refusing" to provide you with a bill, they have annulled all your debts?

 

With All due respect I think you have answered your own question , how can I pay a bill without a bill? Refusing to send me a bill is refusing payment isn't it ?

Link to post
Share on other sites

I think to understand the problem you face you need to know exactly how the debt industry works.

 

Following on from Uncle Bs post above #4 debts are assigned to the DCA for as little as 10p in the £1..the debt has already been wrote off by the original creditor and reclaimed against their tax.The DCAs are simply the assignee of the defunct debt and send out letters cleverly disguised to make you think you are dealing with a bona fide creditor and have you believe they will do xyz if you refuse to cooperate.

 

They cant send payment slips with monthly statements..they are not geared up to be able to process that kind of payment...they dont send monthly statements so anything you do pay is simply unaccounted for.

 

They prefer a monthly direct debit or at least a standing order if you are soft enough to fall for their convincing letters and requests of payment.

 

Until you do all the necessary checks with the original creditor and you have received a Notice of Assignment of the debt and a copy of your agreement (section 77/78 request) and you are happy to comply to their request and there is no dispute with the original creditor...then that is the only means of payment.

 

Of course to set up a DD or SO you have to ring them first or possibly write ( this is to get acknowledgement of debt from you the debtor).

 

Whether you wish to willingly pay them after reading this is your choice..but make all the necessary checks first as they may not be legally entitled to collect on the debt and by paying them you are only financing them to harass others who are not aware of how the system works...unlike you.

 

Regards

 

Andy

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHER

 

Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group - The National Consumer Service

If you want advice on your Topic please PM me a link to your thread

Link to post
Share on other sites

I think to understand the problem you face you need to know exactly how the debt industry works.

 

Following on from Uncle Bs post above #4 debts are assigned to the DCA for as little as 10p in the £1..the debt has already been wrote off by the original creditor and reclaimed against their tax.The DCAs are simply the assignee of the defunct debt and send out letters cleverly disguised to make you think you are dealing with a bona fide creditor and have you believe they will do xyz if you refuse to cooperate.

 

They cant send payment slips with monthly statements..they are not geared up to be able to process that kind of payment...they dont send monthly statements so anything you do pay is simply unaccounted for.

 

They prefer a monthly direct debit or at least a standing order if you are soft enough to fall for their convincing letters and requests of payment.

 

Until you do all the necessary checks with the original creditor and you have received a Notice of Assignment of the debt and a copy of your agreement (section 77/78 request) and you are happy to comply to their request and there is no dispute with the original creditor...then that is the only means of payment.

 

Of course to set up a DD or SO you have to ring them first or possibly write ( this is to get acknowledgement of debt from you the debtor).

 

Whether you wish to willingly pay them after reading this is your choice..but make all the necessary checks first as they may not be legally entitled to collect on the debt and by paying them you are only financing them to harass others who are not aware of how the system works...unlike you.

 

Regards

 

Andy

 

Many thanks Andy for your much needed education . However I have a few bills from Robinson way , moorcroft ect ect and they all sent me bills with the remittence form on the bottom, are they different ? The only company that I have delt with that has refused me to pay via giro cheque is Lowell? Just trying to understand the system a bit better

Edited by bankerbuster
Link to post
Share on other sites

Robinsons must be able to afford better accounting systems then and more are falling for the their nonsense by funding it:-)

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHER

 

Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group - The National Consumer Service

If you want advice on your Topic please PM me a link to your thread

Link to post
Share on other sites

STOP BLINDLY PAYING DCA'S

 

 

we want £100 for every answer we have given you here

 

 

if we sent you a bill,, would you blindly pay that too?

 

 

stop being a cash cow!!

 

 

just because morally you 'think' you owe the money

 

 

legally yo may not!!

 

 

ask yourself one question...

 

 

why did the original creditor sell my debt to a debt buyer for a a fraction of what its worth?

 

 

why didn't they take me to court and crush me?

 

 

gedit yet?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

With All due respect I think you have answered your own question , how can I pay a bill without a bill? Refusing to send me a bill is refusing payment isn't it ?

 

I don't think that this argument would run very far. I'm not entirely sure what it is they have refused or why they have refused it – but I don't see anything which suggest that they are refusing to accept payment – and certainly nothing to suggest that you would be justified in saying that the debt is now annulled. It doesn't help your credibility with them to make those kind of statements over the telephone or elsewhere. It all sounds a bit like Freedom of the Land stuff, I'm afraid

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 Caggers

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Have we helped you ...?


×
×
  • Create New...