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    • Hello, Firstly, I am a few steps into this whole process so unfortunately I have missed out on the advice which states what I should have done initially. I am hoping I can still salvage my situation from this point. Facts- - I own the flat and the parking bay that comes with it. - The management company have hired a separate company (LinkParking) to manage the parking. - I have a permit for my car but my car was elsewhere which is why I couldn't give the permit to anyone else. - My girlfriend parked her car in my bay without a valid permit, instead we had a photocopy of the original permit- I realise this is where I went wrong but the original permit itself was printed on a piece of A4 paper AND when I bought the flat I was never told about requiring a permit and had issues with these guys before. Unfortunately we appealed to LinkParking with a substandard appeal (I realise this was substandard after reading through everything else on these forums). They of course denied it. We then appealed to IAS directly based on guidance from other websites, copy of the appeal is below- I was issued with a parking ticket on 20/12/2019 but I believe it was unfairly issued. I have responded to this notice and 'LinkParking' have denied my appeal and have requested I contact the IAS. I am writing to you as per Section 7.4.2 from the IPC Code of Practice and would therefore like appeal this notice on the following points The car was parked in my own car parking bay which I OWN. I was still unfairly issued with parking tickets. The lease agreement does not state that I require a permit to park in the bay as I own the property and the parking bay that comes with it as per the HM Land and Registry register. This lease has primacy of contract over any agreement the management company may have with LinkParking and therefore legally is invalid. The large sum demanded amounts to a penalty and/or is not an accurate reflection of any loss suffered so it is not a reasonable charge. The monetary claim is disproportionate, punitive and unjustifiable in total. It may also be an unfair term and therefore in breach of Schedule 2 of the Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999. The contractual breach can have caused no financial loss whatever to LinkParking or to the land owner. Once again, the car was parked in my OWN bay and therefore did not cause damage to any third parties. The Parking Charge Notice constitutes an invoice for payment. Accordingly the invoiced charge must include an element of VAT. However, the parking charge notice does not state either a VAT registration number or an invoice reference number and so cannot constitute a lawfully valid demand for payment. Having examined the parking charge notice further I believe it is a non compliant demand for payment as the notice wrongly requires payment to be made “within” 28 days of issue which is contrary to statutory requirement that provides a period of 28 days from the date of receipt. As a sign of good faith, I had purchased a permit anyway to avoid any unnecessary hassle for both parties but have been issued a notice anyway which is unacceptable. I understand that LinkParking are appointed to monitor the car park to prevent trespassers and I agree with this but it seems it is the residents that are being 'ticketed' without good reason for parking in their own bay. I look forward to hearing from you. We have now received the following response today- The operator made their prima facie case on 27/01/2020 14:10:48. The operator reported that... The appellant was the driver The appellant was the keeper The operator is seeking keeper liability in accordance with PoFA.. A manual ticket was placed on the vehicle The ticket was issued on 29/12/2019 The charge is based in contract The Operator made the following comments... The appellant parked their vehicle on land we manage and incurred a charge as they were not displaying a valid permit. Our signs clearly advertise the terms of parking and the charges which apply if they are met. The appellant chose to display a very poor copy of one of our permits, it is a fraction of the size of a valid one. We are unsure why they chose to do this and to date we have not received an explanation. We do not have to prove any loss and invoice does not have to have a VAT number on it if the issuer is not VAT registered. Our PCNs have passed audits by the IPC and DVLA. In addition to this I have also looked through all my documentation with regards to any requirements to require displaying a permit in the contract and I can't find anything. I've owned the flat for almost 2 years now and I do not believe I was given any documentation which mentions this. I have also looked at the HM Land Registry document which doesn't state I need a permit and I believe this ties in with the Primacy of Contract (my law understanding isn't the best). I have also contacted the management company last week to request all information from them with regards to giving me copies of documentation which covers car parking, building services etc. so I have everything. What really annoys me is that I didn't cause anyone any damage AND I WAS PARKED IN MY OWN BAY!!! I really hope I haven't messed it up too much and this can be salved. Any help for a response is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
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    • Now that you have the proof - I think its time to consider taking legal action against the Bank.  Remind me who made the decision at the FOS? Adjudicator or Ombudsman? 
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Interim Charging Orders

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i have a property with an Interim Charging Order on it,

 

 

how long before a final charging order has to be made?

 

 

and what happens if no order is made within that ( what ever it is) time period?

 

 

-- thanks !

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nice and vague first post :)

a CO usually follows an Int one, being vague :)


IMO

:-):rant:

 

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ok, so i have had a Interim CO on there for nearly 7 years, and have heard nothing from the Judgement creditor during this time.. surely there must be some statute legislation that i can use to get it removed? or do something about it?

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tell us all about the ICO/CO

 

 

how did it happen

whats the debt all about that caused this?

 

 

was there a CCJ too?

 

 

dx


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shortfall debt from another property, yes there was a CCJ involved, 7 or 8 years ago i think ( i was told you cant get an Interim CO without a CCJ in place)

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when and who got repo?

who got the CCJ and when?

who got the ICO/CO and when?

 

 

keep going


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( i was told you cant get an Interim CO without a CCJ)

technically, a CO can be done voluntarily.

but, in yours there was a ccj, so was prob re enforcement.

again, vagueness. if you want more specific help, elaborate as asked.


IMO

:-):rant:

 

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The prop was possesed nearly 8 years ago, i got the CCJ for the shortfall debt about 7 years ago, the Interim CO happed shortly after the CCJ ( i dont recal the exact timeframe between the two)....and i've heard nada from anyone since

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names from post 6 please

 

it wasnt my post (#6) but whose names are you refering to?

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hey we aren't dentists..

but this is like pulling teeth

 

 

when and who got repo?

who got the CCJ and when?

who got the ICOlink3.gif/CO and when?

 

 

keep going


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i thought i had already answered that with post #8, --- when and who got repo? - The (my) property was possesed nearly 8 years ago, it was sold on to who knows who at a big discount by the bank who got the CCJ and when? -i got the CCJ for the shortfall debt about 7 years ago who got the ICO/CO and when? - the Interim CO happed shortly after the CCJ ( i dont recal the exact timeframe between the two) i dont yet know if there was a final CO as it is not showing up on the Land Registry

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There would have been a hearing to make the charging order final at that time (the rules changed this year). However once the creditor has registered the ICO at the land registry they don't need to re-register it as a FCO at the LR, they could but it would cost money for no gain, as the ICO is sufficient to register their interest in the property, so they don't as a rule.

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ok, thanks mercyblue but what could i do IF i was to find out ( guess i will need to speak to the court) that there was never a hearing to make the order final?

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They don't need to make the ICO final... it stays on the property until you pay the creditors. Though if a single debtor and joint mortgage, the (I)CO will be overreached when you sell the property, and then they have to chase for the debt. TB

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They don't need to make the ICO final... it stays on the property until you pay the creditors. Though if a single debtor and joint mortgage, the (I)CO will be overreached when you sell the property, and then they have to chase for the debt. TB

 

ok thanks, think that just about clears it up...

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ok, thanks mercyblue but what could i do IF i was to find out ( guess i will need to speak to the court) that there was never a hearing to make the order final?

 

The ICO would have arrived with a date for the final hearing.

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