Ethical Parking Contractual Breach Charge - Chichester College

[Gotaparkingticket]

Hi everyone.

Hope this is in the right place.

 

I got back to my car today in Chichester College car park to have a ticket.

It is a Contractual Breach Charge issued by Ethical Parking.

 

The reason for issue is Ticket Face Down.

When I parked I put my 50p in the machine and got a ticket.

I placed the ticket on my dashboard the correct way up.

 

I do not dispute the fact the when the parking attendant observed the vehicle it was upside down as when I returned to it and read the notice it was.

All I can assume is when shutting the door it has blown it and flipped over.

 

Where do I stand on this.

I'm a good person,

never had one before and deep down says I want to pay to avoid any hassle.

But I've seen and read about hundreds of these and know that they are sometimes worth fighting for.

 

Any help from you very knowledgeable people would be greatly appreciated.

 

Hannah

[renegadeimp]

Theyll get nowhere with it. The ticket was there, so theyre screwed. You paid to park, you parked. Wait for the posters who deal with this day in, day out and youll see its simple to bat away.

 

Never pay any private parking charge. You dont have to. By paying, you are agreeing that their silly tactics are right.

[Gotaparkingticket]

Thanks for the fast reply.

 

I've been reading around on here and it seems like there are some people who know their stuff like ericsbrother.

 

I shall await some more advise but for the time being I'm not going to even contact them.

[dx100uk]

Please fill this out...

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?462118-Have-you-received-a-Parking-Ticket

[Gotaparkingticket]

For windscreen tickets (NTD) please answer the following questions.

 

1 The date of infringement? 18/10/2106

 

2 Did you appeal to the parking company? Not yet

 

If yes, has there been any response?

If no, have you received a Notice To Keeper? (NTK)

Did the NTK provide photographic evidence? Not yet

 

3 Did the NTK mention Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA)

N/A

 

4 If you appealed after receiving the NTK, did the parking company give you any information regarding the further appeals process?

[it is well known that parking companies will reject any appeal whatever the circumstances]

N/A

 

5 Who is the parking company?

Ethical Parking Management

 

6. where exactly [Carpark name and town] did you park?

Chichester College - Westgate Fields

[honeybee13]

Hello there.

 

Thank you for the extra information, it will help us to advise you. Here's a link to the forum stikky that has all the abbreviations that the guys like to use, I hope it's helpful.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?168275-Posting-in-this-Forum-and-A-Z-of-Motoring-Terms

 

HB

[Homer67]

Wait for the NTK do not contact the Parking Company at the moment,

 

once you receive the NTK check it complies with POFA for keeper liability,

if not that's where it ends,

 

if it does, come back here for more advice.

It's not a fine and you won't be paying it.

[ericsbrother]

The parking co now has to wait at least 28 days after the date of the event to let the driver appeal.

 

 

After that time they have another 28 days to send a notice to the keeper of the vehicle setting out what they are after and why.

 

 

The wording of this NTK has to include certain key phrases and not all of the parking co's can manage this.

 

Wait for the NTK and come back here when you get it, telling us exactly when it arrived and ideally with a scan of the letter so we can pick holes in it.

 

If the place you got the ticket is local to you get some pictures of the signage at the entrance and any different signs around the car park, especially at the ticket machine

 

Essentially you paid the prescribed fee to park and anyting else they say you did wrong is "de minimis" but that is how these bandits make a living.

[Gotaparkingticket]

NTK came through today (01/12/2016).

 

 

I cannot attach a copy of it because I've not made 10 posts.

 

 

Not managed to get any pictures of signage as havnt been back since but will get some next week when I am back there.

 

Where do I go from here then.

[ericsbrother]

when we have read the NTK we can advise,

we arent going to guess its contents.

PM honeybee regarding the posting of the NTK

 

Picture of signage are essential for the long haul,

 

 

you have time to get this doen and still appeal to them.

 

 

It is a matter of you getting things right and letting them get it wrong so dont be in a hurry to do things in the hope it will go away, generally they make their living by subterfuge so they arent going to admit they are in the wrong.

[dx100uk]

you don't need to 10 posts

 

 

follow the UPLOAD

 

 

dx

[Gotaparkingticket]

Hopefully this has worked.

Here is the NTK.

EP NTK.pdf

Edited December 5, 2016 by dx100uk
5Mb attachment reduce to .2Mb - dx

[ericsbrother]

minor point,

a PO Box No is not an address so their sigange had better have a full address on it or they are in trouble regarding enforcing this claim.

 

Also, it says that it is a contractual charge so the signage must say that you agree to pay them if you put the ticket on the dashboard upside down.

 

If it says that you must place it face up then you have broken a condition and they arent claiming for breach of contract.

This may seem petty but it is what beats a court claim.

 

Photo of the signage at the car park please,

firstly the sign where you enter the land from a public highway or other roadway that clearly defines the land as a car park and

 

secondly the signage attached to the ticket machine as this properly forms the contract when you put the money in

Edited December 6, 2016 by honeybee13
Paras.

[Gotaparkingticket]

Here is all of the signs. Thanks for the help so far

Parking Notices.pdf

[dx100uk]

Doesnt even name the parking co.???

[ericsbrother]

Yup signage not an offer of a contract.

 

 

No mention of who you are forming a contract with,

conditions of offer and consideration not there and the small sign is contradictory to the big one and is not permissive to anyone

other than permit holders.

 

 

No permit and you cant enter a contract with them becsaue you are trespassing.

 

 

the signs refer to other signs so even if they had enough detail they woud be an invitation to treat rather than a comtract and that means you can take it or leave it without penalty or being bound by anything

[Gotaparkingticket]

Thanks very much. So what do I do now. Just ignore it?

 

And just to confirm.

 

 

I had a valid permit and purchased a ticket.

 

 

It just somehow ended up upside down, but the permit was always visible.

[ericsbrother]

no contractual obligation to show ticket the right way up but that is not the point, there is no contract to breach so if you parked and didnt have a ticket at all you cannot possibly need to consider the detail of the signage.

 

Thething to do is ignore them for the moment, they dont display their ATA on their signage so they arent entitled to apply to the DVLA for your details. You can sue them for doing this so for the moment let them chase you a bit and then tell them that you will be doing this if they persist in their stupidity.

Edited December 14, 2016 by honeybee13
SJuanitaCuracing

[Gotaparkingticket]

Okay thanks very much. If I receive any more letters from then I will post them on here.

[ericsbrother]

good, we all need cheering up and laughter is always the best medicine

[Gotaparkingticket]

Apologies, Here are the 3 further documents I have received.

Any more advice.

You guys have been so helpful so far,

 

I can't thank you enough.

docs1.pdf

Edited February 21, 2017 by dx100uk
13Mb of docs reduced to 1 Mb - dx

[dx100uk]

remember to remove address barcodes too next time.

you can ignore those

the can recommend or instruct whatever they like

dx

[ericsbrother]

Ha ha ha ahhh.

DR+ now demanding £160.

 

 

have you ever thought why now £160?

a thing I tell people os to look up their FCA registration for being a licensed money launderer, sorry I ment consumer credit licence holder.

Cant find it? t

 

 

hat is becuase they dont have one

so cant legally take money on behalf of others.

 

 

That is all you need to know about them,

in short they are not honest so their demand cannot ever honest either.

[Gotaparkingticket]

Just to update everyone, not heard anything since the last letter.

[Gotaparkingticket]

If this was in reply to my thread, after the several expected threatening letters I have heard nothing since.