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    • CLAIRES REPLY 😳 Hi Mark,   Having sought further advice on this matter, I am now clear as to the finer details of my consumer rights.   Your offer to rectify this issue is no longer a suitable option, as it would cause me considerable inconvenience. Additionally, this option would only have been viable if you were to collect and delivery my car free of charge. Additionally, this remedy is no longer suitable due to the fact I have completely lost faith in your business.   I am within my rights to a price reduction of the full cost of works to rectify this. I am of course happy for you to pay the spraying business directly upon receipt of a V.A.T invoice for your records.   Regards Claire
    • G CARS RESPONSE TO CLAIRES EMAIL   Hi Claire When you get the bonnet painted on the golf please ask the repairing garage to email us a vat receipt in the name of Gemcars ltd and we will pay another £112.50 contribution towards the repairs directly to the garage.  This can be done on the same day so it will not affect the garage releasing the car to you We can pay this directly to them via card over the phone This will bring the total contribution to £262.50 which equates to ¾ of the total cost Normally we would contribute 50% in a betterment situation but as you obviously feel very strongly about this matter on this occasion we will pay ¾ of your £350 quotation as full and final settlement in this matter Should you feel this is still not acceptable then you can of course bring it to us and we will have the bonnet painted whilst you wait at no cost to yourself  (apart from a few hours of your time)   Sincerely Mark and Gina
    • CLAIRES RESPONSE TO OUR EMAIL   Hi Mark,   I have addressed the fact that I do not bully or blackmail and am mortified you would take it that way!    I will address your comments by paragraph also: My issue is not about how many stone chips anyone would expect, or how many there are on your wife’s car. it is about what you stated in your video which is not up on your website now. You did not mention when you asked the man who cleaned the car prior to delivery, just that you had. Then when I asked you whether they could be rectified by way of individual chips, you said to me I could not as there were hundreds and it would need respraying (and yes, I had assumed this was an estimate not that you had counted them). This to me indicated that you knew the bonnet had more than just the odd stone chip here and there on the front of the bonnet. I stated I felt you had deceived me, because as I stated before I have been told this by professional sprayers who have been in the business a very long time. Yes, you mentioned over the phone that I was the first person to complain in over 50 cars.  Your video was under 17 minutes and appeared as if you were pointing everything out on it including the odd stone chips to the front of the bonnet. Eco a toy what I would expect is how it was shown and described. Yes, I am happy with the car itself apart from this issue. The odd stone chip touched in here and there on the bonnet was what was described and expected. I do my research and Car Gurus checker is one of many market values. Also, from the cars I had checked (and yes, a few were one owner with full service history. One with a few more miles on the clock and another with less). I did not state that stone chips should not be touched in, but that I had been told they were done badly and ineffectively and that they would have been better off left alone (which I took in the context of the conversation to mean being done properly by a professional). You asked me what would make me happy after telling me the cost would be £150 for you or more like £200 here to have the work done you had told me. I had not negotiated any discount off the car at all and had reserved at the price advertised. My ex husband was in the car business and it is anticipated and wholly accepted to negotiate prices on used cars. This can not be compared with a a general store purchase. I purchased a large value item which was not as described. The delivery cost is what was negotiated, nothing else. You reimbursed for a job which I can not get done for anywhere near the price. Yes you are certainly misreading it as I explained in our earlier communication! I am sorry if you took this the wrong way and I should have elaborated that at the time. If you need this clarified, I would be happy to get you character witnesses to confirm to you that I am the opposite sort of person to even consider that type of behaviour. I apologise again that you found my email very rude, it was not meant that way at all. I am just really upset by this whole thing.   Whether your offers are meant to be rude or not, I find some of the comments as such.   As mentioned in our earlier communications, all I want is the car in the condition as advertised. I am still happy for you to collect the car, rectify the issue and deliver back to me or a refund closer to the cost of this. Although I trust the quotes I have, I can keep searching for a cheaper price. The bonnet is not in the condition as advertised (I can count and document tomorrow in daylight if you’d like).    Regards Claire
    • GEM CARS REPLY TO THIS EMAIL   Hi Claire   You are obviously upset which we don’t want So I have a couple of solutions below I must say I’m not grumpy or mardy or angry or upset. I’m not trying to have a go or start an argument but your email did sadden me greatly I always work better with people that talk things over rather than going straight for the jugular Anyway I have addressed the comments in your email matter of fact and I have some solutions below My main priority is your happiness with the car and the outcome, but unfortunately I wont be bullied into paying over the odds for a repair You need to appreciate that to fully paint the bonnet is betterment as such its not fair to expect the full amount especially as I have sent you the full amount that we would pay already. As you have already said neither of us needs to be thinking about your stone chips all weekend so hopefully this email will be the last one   If its ok I will address each paragraph one at a time   1; I didn’t deliberately deceive anyone I clearly state that the bonnet has odd stone chips here and there and odd stone chips on the front edge (I’ve just watched my video to be sure) (those are my exact words) (please feel free to double check I’ve left the video up for you) If I had said no stone chips or one or two stone chips (like I have on other videos)  then I would agree with you but I clearly stated (odd stone chips here and there) Exactly how many stone chips would you feel is acceptable on a 10 year old car with 117000 miles on ? My wife’s brand new golf R with 5000 miles on the clock has 6 already   2; You state that its clear I already knew how bad the bonnet was because I asked our valeter, This is untrue because after you called my wife to complain I then asked the valeter if he noticed the bonnet being particularly bad before I called you back as I couldn’t remember it being that bad, Also you asked if you could get a chips away type company to just come and touch them in, I simply said there are 100s of tiny chips and it would be cheaper to paint the bonnet this was just a generalisation not an exact count of the stone chips (as I said I had to ask the valeter if the bonnet was really that bad as I could not remember) Any more than 20 chips would be too many for a chips away type repair I hardly counted all the stone chips During our conversation this is exactly what I said   3; You accuse me of deceiving you when I stated that it costs us £150 plus vat to have a bonnet painted I have sent you the copy of our pricing structure from our paint shop I told you the truth I have no reason to lie feel free to call them on Monday and check for yourself If you see option 1 below and decide to bring it to us I will happily give you a copy of the bill     4; My 18 Minute video was completely honest and I did not try to deceive anyone with the video We have sold over 300 cars off the back of my videos and you are the first person to complain I would ask you did I state in my video that the car had no stone chips? Did I say one or two stone chips? NO I DIDN’T  I clearly stated odd stone chips here and there which is exactly what it has as you would expect. I would add that when you called to complain I kindly sent you the full cost that we pay to have a full bonnet painted I didn’t argue the case as most car dealers would as we pride ourselves on our levels of customer service I simply asked you what you would be happy with as compensation and you said £150 so I sent you £150 instantly to your bank.   5; You state that the car was priced at the higher end of the market for the year and mileage yet on our Car Gurus checker it showed as £400 behind market value When you checked the prices were the other cars you looked at all one lady owner white 5 door cars with full service history (as this makes a huge difference in price) So NO I disagree our car was very fairly priced and not at the higher end The condition of the car was fantastic for a 10 year old 120000 mile car you have said yourself you are happy with it apart from the stone chips on the bonnet so I’m struggling to understand what you mean by alleged condition? If you don’t touch stone chip in, the metal goes rusty so no I disagree you should always touch stone chips in   6; You accuse me of compensating you dishonestly when I simply asked you what would make you happy and you agreed £150 which I sent you straight away I would also add that you negotiated an additional £100 off the car after you had bought it as I kindly paid half the delivery for you. When you purchase items from other stores how often do you get a discount after you have agreed to buy the item? So you actually have £250 towards the stone chips.   7; No disrespect intended by I have already reimbursed you for what would be my full costs     8; I’m unsure what you mean by “Please do not be concerned with regards to a review, as I will not be leaving one until this matter is fully resolved” To me that sounds like bullying and blackmail but I could be misreading it?   Even though I found your email very rude I still have 3 amicable solutions to offer you   1; Refund us the £150 I sent you then bring the car back and have a day out in Lincoln, it’s a beautiful place to visit we have one of the biggest cathedrals in Europe (used in the hit film the da Vinci code) the castle is stunning and the cathedral quarter has some lovely places to shop and eat we also have a large Primark We will drop you to get the train into Lincoln central and whilst you shop and eat we will get the bonnet painted for you we will give you an additional £20 towards food and fuel on us and then collect you in the afternoon and you can drive you car home with the newly painted bonnet.   2; Accept a full refund for the car and we will collect it next week   3; Accept the fact that it is a 10 year old car with 117000 miles it does have stone chips, we didn’t deliberately mislead you, we did send you £150 towards the repairs and pay half your delivery so buy yourself a Genuine colour pen for the car (£15) touch the chips in with the right colour and spend the rest on a spa day   Sincerely Mark and Gina  
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In regard to food shortages because of a lack of labour to pick crops, I would have to say that the UK labour market is very poorly organised.  You would think that social media would help people living in cities and towns find work out in the countryside picking crops, but unfortunately this is not the case.

 

What should happen in every geographical location is that farms list the work that is required with a central register. People interested in the work would register their details and availability with the same register. Once the work arrangements are agreed, you then need some accommodation and/or transport arrangements put into place. With the workers either staying on or near the farms or travelling to/from the farms.

 

Government could help to fix this problem by providing resources to help farmers organise their recruitment.

 

There are plenty of people who want to work on farms, but they live in cities and towns miles away from farms, without own transport to travel to the different farms that would be offering work.

 

 

 

 

 

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That sounds like a good idea, UB, I don't know if it's happening already.

 

There was a scheme last year, wasn't there? Brits were invited to help out on farms but I don't know how many stayed on. The last I read, it wasn't a very large percentage.

 

https://www.countryliving.com/uk/wildlife/farming/a31954445/help-feed-the-nation/

 

It seems that the standard of accommodation is part of the problem and Eastern Europeans are more likely to put up with living in caravans or tents.

 

One answer is to raise prices - are people willing to pay more for fruit and veg to support British farmers?

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There was an organisation that tried to recruit seasonal farm Labour last year, but the feedback I received from quite a few people, was that it did not work very well.  There were too many people registered looking for work and it was very difficult to match people with farm locations.  And people, need to be able to move around from farm to farm.

 

Which is where Government could step into help with setting up a better system.  Perhaps an agriculture recruitment agency, similar to how Government set up Manpower decades ago.

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In regard to food shortages because of a lack of labour to pick crops

 

I'm sure Tories think that way - let labour (voters) pick the crops and pay to be transported there out of their (very low) 'wages.

 

Good job a lot of the farms were going to go bust with the reduced markets, increased costs and increased low standards pacific competition anyway then eh?

(as many crop farms need dairy/meat income to stay afloat)

 

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There are plenty of people who want to work on farms, but they live in cities and towns miles away from farms, without own transport to travel to the different farms that would be offering work.

 

 

Anything to support that opinion?

History tells us that the EU migrant communities did the work because they would do it cheaper and better than UK labour - as it was their way of life.

 

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Yes @tobyjugg2 In a professional capacity, I have talked to a lot of people who are interested iin finding work in Agriculture sector, but they have told me of the problems that they have had due to location of work available.  It is not just matching people to farms where the work is available, but there are also problems with the working conditions offered by some farm operators.  UK workers who have completed farm work before will not work on some farms due to the bad experiences they have had.  Word then gets around and the farms don't attract many recruits.

 

I think the issues @honeybee13 mentioned about accommodation are really important, but add to that the poor working conditions and you can understand why farms cannot attract UK workers,   The EU migrants may have accepted the conditions, but they are now  probably working in EU mainland countiries, with  possibly better pay and conditions.

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Perhaps understand @unclebulgaria67that you are saying that lots of people would be interested if 'unskilled' (misnomer) farming work was not 'unskilled' (sic) farming work

- but they DON'T want the actual job as offered - probably even if they were transported there and back 'free'.

 

.. and that is my point

 

Lots of us would be competing for farm work if it entailed walking around the fields in the sunshine and fresh air for a thousand pounds a week - .. or even much less.

But it isn't.

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Quite often people live  at least 20 miles away from where the farm jobs are.  They have done farm work before, but  can't get to where the jobs are or would not be able to get  there for the start times which are often around 6am or before during mid-Summer.

 

There are also many people with no experience, who would like to have a work trial.  Some people won't cope with the physical demands of farm work, but people have  same issue  with warehouse work.

 

With the EU migrants not around to complete the work, UK Government working with the Agriculture sector will have to come up with a solution.

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It took a few days but details that were in the Grocer article I linked to were in the Mail yesterday.

 

The hauliers and the British Retail Consortium don't agree on the effects of driver shortages but the Mail says the army are on standby to move food supplies.

 

WWW.DAILYMAIL.CO.UK

A double impact from Brexit and the Covid-19 pandemic is said to have sparked disruption to the chilled food supply chain, industry insiders say.

 

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In case anyone knows someone this applies to, over 100,000 EU citizens in the UK haven't applied for settled status.

 

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Scheme closes in nine days, with many still at risk of losing access to healthcare, jobs and homes

 

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In case anyone knows someone this applies to, over 100,000 EU citizens in the UK haven't applied for settled status.

 

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

Scheme closes in nine days, with many still at risk of losing access to healthcare, jobs and homes

 

 

They probably think they will lose access to healthcare jobs and homes whether they apply or not.

I mean, if they will do it to:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jun/16/acclaimed-british-cellist-has-passport-cancelled-by-home-office

 

 

as Johnsons says he will suspend the NI protocol ... unless the EU does (and the EU might for another 3 months - I wouldn't)

 

and Frosty  says: how could anyone have realised that the deal I negotiated with a border down the Irish sea would result in a border down the Irish Sea, let alone that the EU would expect us to implement what we negotiated

.. or that the EU would get a bit reactionary if we kept calling them names, abusing their citizens, and breaching our agreements with them

 

 

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If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

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I see 'Roam like at Home' is Brexiting led by O2

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-o2-data-roaming-charges-b1871484.html

 

and Boris is passing 'laws to legitimise it:

"The government says it has passed legislation to protect holidaymakers, including a £45-a-month limit on any charges for using mobile data abroad before having to opt into further use"

 

New brexit mantra

More of the costs - none of the benefits

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If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

you would do exactly what (England) are doing

 

"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

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You couldn't make this up. Gavin Williams and the PM want schoolchildren to sing a special song for One Britain, One Nation Day tomorrow.

 

They seem to have overlooked that Ireland isn't part of GB and that Scottish schools will be on a summer break.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/23/uk-education-secretary-mocked-for-one-britain-one-nation-day-song

 

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Even worse I think:

rather than singapore on thames, its seems like the populists are simply going all out for 'little china'

 

Government plans to introduce new powers to crack down on protests have cleared the first hurdle in the Commons, despite warnings from civil liberties groups that it was an “all-out assault” on the right to demonstrate.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/policing-bill-protests-government-vote-b1818118.html

 

"It creates a new public nuisance law that would make causing “serious annoyance or inconvenience” a crime punishable by up to 10 years’ imprisonment."

With the 'interpretation' of 'annoyance' by Priti Patel

 

"The maximum penalty in common law for public nuisance was life imprisonment and that's being reduced to 10 years. I really frankly do not see what the fuss is about

- Robert Buckland, the populist solicitor general

 

Parliament being the seat of democracy, our work should be not be disrupted”.

populist MP Sir David Amess

 

 

On the other hand:

 

“overreaching, sweeping and draconian provisions on protest”.

“The way this legislation is drafted would make a dictator blush. "

- DUP MP Gavin Robinson

 

""These are local matters for chief constables in consultations with PCCs and I was concerned to see the draft clauses in the bill”.

- Paddy Tipping, the chair of the Association of Police and Crime Commissioners (APCC)

 

Police "“have the laws needed already”

“I don’t like law for law’s sake, especially on freedom of protest.”

Martin Surl, vice-chair of the APCC

 

"Protest was the “essence” of British democracy and allowed the public to literally make their voices heard"

- MP Harriet Harman

 

 

 

 

 

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If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

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"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

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I agree, TJ, it's very worrying. I'm quite surprised that people aren't more exercised by this but maybe they won't notice that Priti Useless or the police can decide on whether a demo is disruptive or not until they find they can't protest over something they care about.

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You'd think such a direct attack on one of the basics foundations of democracy would be plastered all over any legitimate independent news services worth their salt wouldn't you?

 

No doubt some report on some soap or gameshow will take its spot

 

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"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

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No doubt Patel has got bored with just having a hostile environment for EU and windrush folk

 

Patel:

You disagree with me and have the utter gall to say it loud enough for someone to hear - 10 years - lock them up.

 

If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

you would do exactly what (England) are doing

 

"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

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ee also reintroducing roaming charges ..

 

If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

you would do exactly what (England) are doing

 

"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/24/22548668/ee-uk-carrier-roaming-charges-european-union

Three and O2 have imposed caps on data so far, but EE gonna charge 2 quid a day for you to access your existing services

 

 

Brexit - the farce that just keeps taking

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"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

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Chris Patten giving the inaugural lecture for the John and Pat Hume Foundation yesterday.

 

“… the problem at heart is not the sausages you get from Sainsbury’s but the porkies that we all get … from Downing Street”

 

https://sluggerotoole.com/2021/06/24/lord-patten-the-problem-at-heart-is-not-the-sausages-you-get-from-sainsburys-but-the-porkies-that-we-all-get-from-downing-street/

 

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More on the 'sausage war' from foreignpolicy.com.

 

'Prime Minister Boris Johnson signed the withdrawal agreement and the protocol simply to get elected and get Brexit over the line—with no intention to implement all the detailed provisions that both sides had painstakingly negotiated and agreed. Has it been Johnson’s plan all along to balk at the provisions he didn’t like and create a fuss to pressure the EU into concessions he had failed to get at the negotiating table?'

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/06/23/boris-johnsons-sausage-war-was-deadly-serious/

 

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Pacta sunt servanda

 

If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

you would do exactly what (England) are doing

 

"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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I see Hancock thinks 'if boj can do it so can I

 

WWW.THESUN.CO.UK

HEALTH Secretary Matt Hancock has been having a secret affair with his closest aide, The Sun can reveal today.He cheated on his wife with Gina...

 

"Hancock controversially hired the millionaire lobbyist using taxpayers' money last year"

 

"Ms Coladangelo, who met Mr Hancock when both were attending Oxford University, was a director at lobbying firm Luther Pendragon, which promises clients help to “navigate and influence complex legislation”.

In November it emerged she was given a role as non-executive director at the DHSC, earning at least £15,000 a year and having scrutiny over its running, but there was no public record of the appointment."

(seems quite cheap compared to Bojs' strumpets IMO)

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/matt-hancock-gina-coladangelo-affair-b1872505.html

 

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"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

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Not sure if its just around here, but the supermarket fresh veg shelves are rather empty with just mainly what seems left over poor quality stuff on them

Tesco - really bad, and Aldi

Not been to Morrisons as our local one is one of the most mismanaged I've seen since our local Tesco got rid of the old established crony crew after reams of customer complaints a few years ago.

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Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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